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Here is our schedule. Just comment if you'd like to recap and lead discussion in an ep.

Season Five ("Wheel of Fire")
10/02/2017 No Compromises
10/09/2017 The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari
10/16/2017 The Paragon of Animals
10/23/2017 A View from the Gallery - [personal profile] alexcat
10/30/2017 Learning Curve
11/06/2017 Strange Relations
11/13/2017 Secrets of the Soul
11/20/2017 In the Kingdom of the Blind
11/27/2017 A Tragedy of Telepaths
12/04/2017 Phoenix Rising
12/11/2017 Day of the Dead - [personal profile] alexcat
12/18/2017 The Ragged Edge
We will take off December 25th and January 1st for Christmas and New Year's.
01/08/2018 The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father
01/16/2018 Meditations on the Abyss
01/22/2018 Darkness Ascending
01/29/2018 And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder
02/05/2018 Movements of Fire and Shadow
02/12/2018 The Fall of Centauri Prime
02/19/2018 Wheel of Fire
02/26/2018 Objects in Motion
03/05/2018 Objects at Rest
03/12/2018 Sleeping in Light [personal profile] alexcat
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I am terribly sorry that this one is so late. After Saturday's news, I simply could not do anything for a few days.


Recap and discussion of 4 x 18 – Intersections in Real Time

This episode is one that makes me squirm. I have some problem with interrogation and torture that I cannot explain. Perhaps I was tortured in a past life. I took notes but I cannot describe this episode in detail.

I will talk of something else then get back to it.

My husband was in the USAF before I met him in 1978. He was an Arab linguist who flew on missions out of Athens, Greece for 2 years. Part of his training was a trip to survival school in Washington state sometime when there was snow on the ground. They had to survive several days in the wild with little food. AND they underwent a mock prison camp experience.

He said that it only took about 15 minutes at the ‘camp’ to forget that it was an exercise. I don’t know how many days it lasted but there were interrogations and my hubby was defiant and refused to answer the questions, refused to cooperate with his captors. He said the man doing the interrogation finally said to him that he would get himself killed if the camp were real.

I thought of that when Sheridan was being interrogated. I watched him come close but he never wavered, not really. WE didn’t know that he wouldn’t. We got so angry that we sat with clinched fists and glared at the television. How could such a banal man as the interrogator be so thoroughly horrible?

JMS said: This was one of the elements that made the episode interesting for me; most SF tends to ignore the darker sides of the common person. They deal with the big bad guys, the evil federations and Darth Vaders and all the other major forces out there, but all too often the real damage is done not by the single Evil Leader, but by the ten million people who *follow* him, the bookkeepers who track the bodies and the trains and the pain by placing the right figures in all the right columns, who make the trains run on time, who run the gulags, who build the new state empires that will be built with slave labor, any or all of whom could say, as many have, "I was just doing my job."

In light of the real news this week and the perils of living in a world somewhere between Clark’s Earth, the 1930s in Nazi Germany and 1984, this episode was hard to see, hard to listen to.

I was reminded of his encounter with Sebastian as well.

Compare what was said to Sheridan:
Sebastian: "You are linked at the hip. Just as bad as she is. But you are not just a dreamer, you are a soldier. How far are you prepared to go? How much are you prepared to risk? How many people are you prepared to sacrifice for victory? Are you willing to die friendless, alone, deserted by everyone? Because that's what may be required of you in the war that is to come…
What about the people you work with, the people you call friends? Are you willing to sacrifice them? What about your family, what about your God, what about truth, what about blood, what about right, what about wrong, what about your future, what about faith, what about sin, what about hell, what about death, what about life?"

"No! You have no rights. There's no courtroom here, Captain. No tribunals, no attorneys, no justice, no mercy, no fairness, no hope, no last minute escape. You will walk through that door when you confess and not one second before…
"You will co-operate with the state, for the good of the state and your own survival. You will confess to the crimes of which you have been accused. You will be released and returned to the society a productive citizen if you co-operate. Resistance will be punished, co-operation will be rewarded."

But he did resist and he said no, finally understanding that all that really mattered was what he said and did.

There was this exchange
Sheirdan: You know, it's funny, I was thinking about what you said, that the preeminent truth of our age is that you cannot fight the system. But if, as you say, the truth is fluid, that the truth is subjective, then maybe you can fight the system. As long as just one person refuses to be broken, refuses to bow down.
Interrogator: But can you win?
Sheridan: Every time I say "no."

I finally breathed when he said this. We probably all did because we knew that he might die but he would not give in.


1. Did this episode upset you? Just curious.
2. Was any of it real? One site asks that question and I wanted to ask you.
3. Do you think he is important enough indeed that they will keep him alive?
4. When he sees Delenn, it she in his head or is she a projection of some kind?
5. Was the Drazi the man in room 17 dressed as an executioner… I can never tell but I think so.
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I will get the recap and discussion up ASAP. I've had some issues!
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Recap and Discussion of 4 x 17 – The Face of the Enemy

Where we see LOTS of enemies:
Garibaldi, Edgars, Bester,
Sheridan, Young Capt Frank

All are enemies to someone…

Ivanova opens by mentioning that the battles have become more desperate as they come closer to home. She says the hard part is in fighting their own.

Franklin and Lyta arrive on Mars with their cargo.

Sheridan says it’s the endgame and they’ll be okay if nothing goes wrong.

Edgars calls for Garibaldi, telling him that Sheridan’s father is in custody and he is to contact Sheridan when everything is ready. Edgars says it’s for Sheridan’s own good, everyone’s own good, since once Sheridan is out of the picture, they can take care of Clark and the Psi Corps. When Edgars says Sheridan might even thank him, Garibaldi says he doubts that.

Edgars says the whole truth can come out in only a few days – that not many men can say that. Garibaldi says "I think the last guy got thirty pieces of silver for the same job.”

Earthships are still fighting despite being outgunned. Sheridan contacts one asks why. Capt. Frank replies that they know he is executing the crews of the ships who surrender and replacing them with Minbari crews. Sheridan’s friend, MacDougan tell the young captain that it’s not true. He says that he and his entire crew have joined Sheridan. The young captain surrenders.

The Agamemnon comes through a jump point. They tell Sheridan that they’ve been looking for him, He goes over to talk.

Franklin and Lyta meet No. 1, who gives them a less than warm reception after she finds out that Lyta is a telepath.

John comes aboard the Agamemnon and they seem very happy to see him. Marcus contacts him with a message from Garibaldi. Garibaldi tells John that Clark has his father and he has a way for Sheridan to get him back. John falls for it and the Agamemnon takes him to Mars. Ivanova tries to talk him out of it to no avail.

No. 1 is still being an ass… Lyta says it’s because the cops are using Psi Corps Bloodhound units to scan for resistance fighters… what this has to do with Lyta, I’m not sure since LYTA ALREADY WORKED WITH THEM AS A TELEPATH BEFORE! Lyta tells Franklin some more stuff about how awful Psi Corps really is - blah, blah, blah. No.1 comes in and tells them she had a message from Sheridan and they’re on their own for a while.

Delenn and Lennier arrive on B5 as Susan is leaving to take over Sheirdan’s forces. Delenn promises to keep an eye on B5.

Sheridan goes to Mars, meets Garibaldi and is taken into custody. He does not go gently.

Ivanova arrives on Sheridan’s ship in time to see ISN’s broadcast about the capture of Sheridan and how well he’s being treated… as we see him being kicked and beaten.

When Garibaldi gets back to Edgars’ home, he demands to know the rest of the story. Basically, Edgars has an antidote to the telepath virus, which he also has, and plans to control telepaths by giving them all the virus then using the antidote to force them into slavery. He says the human race must protect itself from a superior race of humans and that they are using Clark to gain power.

He says that they will start moving the virus and in about 3 weeks, the telepath problem will be over. After he leaves for bed, wade tells Garibaldi now that he knows, he will not be allowed off the compound.

Lise was listening to the whole thing.

After he is alone, Garibaldi removes a tooth and we see a tiny transmitter.

Next thing we see, he’s on the train. Lise asks him to help her and he tells her to go home. A few seconds later, Bester comes in and sits down and Garibaldi makes his report. Them bester blahs,blahs about they only needed to push him in the right direction to get him to spy on Edgars and all the rest. He finally decides to make him remember everything and when he leaves and Michael remembers, he screams.

After Ivanova is told that Garibaldi contacted B5, she says if he’s seen on the station, she wants him shot on sight.

Garibaldi goes to Edgars’ house and he is dead. Wade tells him Lise was not there and dies. The house is trashed to make it look as if the resistance broke in.

ISN identifies Garibaldi as the one who turned in Sheridan and names him a hero of the people.


Another episode I hated. We find out that Garibadli really is mostly a paranoid asshole, if you’ll pardon my language. While he may have some valid points, we never do see any real indication that Sheridan plans to set himself up as dictator of Earth. The worst thing he can be accused of is being single-minded and not having a plan for after he has unseated Clark. WE know he does not plan on setting up military rule on Earth but how can the people of Earth know that?

But Garibaldi knows him! Brainwashing or not, Garibaldi knows him. Bester’s trap was for Edgars so I’m not sure the vendetta against Sheridan can be laid off on Bester.


"I think the last guy got thirty pieces of silver for the same job.”
~ Garibaldi

1. Was his programming responsible for what he did to Sheridan?
2. Was this needed also to keep Clark in power so the Psi Corps could keep their advantage in EathGov? Or was it just a happy coincidence that Garibaldi betrayed Sheridan?
3. Was Clark patterned after Hitler and the Fascists? Or was Edgars?
4. How much did denial have to do with Lise not knowing what was happening?


Wikiepedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Face_of_the_Enemy_(Babylon_5)
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517701/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Lurkers Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/083.html
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Face_of_the_Enemy
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Recap and discussion of 4 x 16 – The Exercise of Vital Powers

This is another of the episodes that I hate.

Garibaldi is horrid and I have never been convinced that it was all Besters’ work.

Here is the recap:

Ivanova announced more victories on their long march to Earth.

We join Garibaldi headed for Edgars Industries on Mars. He babbles some stupid gibberish about Sheridan and then we see Wade tell him he must wear a blindfold on his way to see his new boss. Wade asks Garibaldi if he knows that Mars was named for the god of war. What? Garibaldi lived there – of course he knows it. Wade says he’s a literature major or something but he sounds more like a moron.

Stephen is working on the frozen teeps, as per Sheridan’s request. He’s making no headway until Lyta comes by and somehow wakes one and suppresses the Shadow Tech enough that the man seems calm. Stephen realizes he has to find a way to do this artificially. He is also quite annoyed that Sheridan will not tell him his plans.

Lise comes to see Garibaldi after he arrives at the Edgars’ home. She tells him he should not have come. Edgars comes in, sending Lise away. Garibaldi says he has come because someone has to stop Sheridan and Edgars owns the 4th largest company on Earth, makes chemical weapons had has a lot of power.

Edgars says they must bring Clark down non-militarily though he doesn’t explain why at this time. Edgars says he will decide if he will bring Garibaldi all the way in.

Lyta works with one of the teeps again but nit doesn’t go as well.

Garibaldi is roused in the middle of the night by thugs who take him to an interrogation by Edgars, with a telepath monitoring them. He says he does not remember what happened during his captivity at the end of the Shadow War. He’s asked what he thinks of telepaths and he he says he doesn’t like them.

After the questioning, Edgars tells Lise that Garibaldi is okay.

Wade kills the telepath.

When Garibaldi comes to see Edgars again, the old man babbles some crap about loving oranges. Garibaldi is having none of it and asks what is going on. Edgars gies some babbly speech about the ancient Greeks and happiness. Then he asks Garibaldi what kind of world they’d have if it were a world of telepaths. He does not want Sheridan to unseat Clark because he believes the telepaths that helped Clark get power will take over. He says the people who really run the world need a little time to fix things and that Sheridan is a spanner in the works.

John contacts Ivanova. He tells her things are going well and he worries when that happens. He asks to speak to Franklin and Franklin won’t talk any more until Sheridan tells him what he plans to do with the telepaths. John tells him but we are not privy to that conversation. Afterwards, Lyta asks him if he is okay and he says no. He then asks her to go with him to Mars.

Lise brings Garibaldi food and tells him he should go.

We see Wade and Edgars with 3 telepaths and Edgars says to ‘put them down’.

Garibaldi tells Edgars he’s in and Edgars tells him he has to prove himself by giving them Sheridan. Garibaldi says the way to find him is through his father and that he knows how to find his father. Edgars says Clark won’t kill Sheridan because he’ll want to make an example and by that time, he and his group will have things in hand.

The show ends with Garibaldi leaving Mars and whining some more.


Edgars: "Do you know how the ancient Greeks defined happiness?...Happiness, they said, was the exercise of vital powers along lines of excellence in a life affording them scope." - William Edgars



1. If you understand the quote in relation to Edgars then tell me. He sounds a lot like the Shadows and their BS to me.
2. Do you think Lise is completely innocent in the doings of her husband? Why does she keep warning Michael away?
3. Since Edgars says the mega-corps actually rule the world, is it possible for the Shadows, Clark and Psi Corps to have done all this without their knowledge or even their help?
4. Again, how much of this is simply Michael Garibaldis’ own paranoia?


The Lurker’s Guide to Babylo0n 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/082.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517700/?ref_=ttep_ep16
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Exercise_of_Vital_Powers
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exercise_of_Vital_Powers
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Recap and discussion for 4 x 15 – No Surrender, No Retreat

Another episode that reflects modern times. I could fix a lot of things if I had a Whitestar fleet.

“Enough is enough!” - John Sheridan, Babylon 5, Sept 2, 2261

Sheridan has called the council together. He tells them that he is now asking for something from then since he has been patrolling their borders with the Whitestars. He wants them to all send one destroyer class ship from each world to help protect Babylon 5 and he wants them to sever ties with Earth. Ivanova tells them that 10,000 civilians have been killed in attacks on Proxima III. Sheridan says it’s time to do something but he thinks the alien races should not get involved, as to not give Clark more ammunition in his anti-alien campaign.

All this while, Starfuries are flying all around, training and drilling for the coming attack. They are going to liberate Proxima III

"From now on, Earth stands alone. We're taking back Proxima III, we're taking back Mars, and then we're going to take back our home, or die trying."

Marcus rushes into the meeting with info about Proxima III and how the colony is running out of time. They are blockaded by Earth and are being attacked as well. He says the Heracles and the Pollux destroyed the civilian transports and are blockading the colony. John asks Marcus if they can identify the other ships who have not fired on civilians. He will give them a chance to defect. He says they must commit totally to this operation. "No surrender, no retreat."

Garibaldi shows up at Londo’s apartments to ask for some help in getting to Centauri space though we do not find out why. Vir lets slip that Londo is at a meeting and he lets slip what Sheridan is about to do. Garibaldi says he will things his own way to save Earth. (I have to admit, I am SICK of Garibaldi by now.)

Ivanova is getting the Starfury crews ready. She tells them they have codes to communicate and they must use them since they can’t trust any others… even voices. "Trust Ivanova, trust yourself. Anybody else, shoot him."

Sheridan sends three White Stars toward Earth – one by earth and two by mars. They a re the decoys to make Clark think they are going to attack Earth. Perhaps he will pull some of this ships away from Proxima III. The Whitestar fleet will be hiding in Hyperspace near Proxoma III. Marcus says they are taking fire already on the colony.

Londo goes to visit G’kar though G’kar doesn’t seem at all interested in making nice. Londo proposes they sign a joint agreement of mutual support with Babylon5 and G’kar is angry and uninterested, ignoring all of Londo’s friendly overtures and refusing to drink with him. Londo leaves, rather sadly.

Sheridan briefs the pilots and off they all go into hyperspace – Whatestar II has the B5 logo painted on her so there can be no mistaking who the ship belongs to.

There is a battle. I shall not describe it but suffice to say, one ship is very aggressive, one is blown to bits and in the end, the battle goes to Sheridan. One Commander, who relieved the Captain of duty to save her shipmates from senseless death, is going to repair her ship and keep the captain under arrest. One of the other will help the colonists on Proxima III to rebuild. Two more will join Sheirdan and fight Clark and his dictatorship.

15_battle 15_wsfire

Back on B5, Londo is sitting morosely in the bar, drinking, when G’kar joins him and says he will sign the agreement but not on the same page and takes that drink he refused before. When he leaves, Londo smiles, a bit sadly but a smile.

The Voice of the Resistance announces the liberation of Proxima III, the joint statement by the narn and Centauri.

Garibaldi leaves for Mars, saying he will never return.


“Enough is enough!” - John Sheridan, Babylon 5, Sept 2, 2261



1. The problematic thing in these eps is Garibaldi. How much is his mind control and how much is him? He seemed to resent Sheridan from the beginning. I am actually quite surprised at how angry I am at him.
2. Do you think G’kar meant to sign the agreement all along? Was he just letting Londo suffer a little because he could?
3. Sheridan said: “Our mandate is to defend Earth against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Now Clark has become that enemy. Your oath is to the Alliance and to the people back home, not to any particular government.” Comments?
4. Is it still treason if you’re doing the right thing?
5. Wouldn’t these men and women who commanded the ships have given it more thought that we see them do, considering that they may have family in harm’s way back on Earth? Or did they figure it’s now al or nothing?



Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/081.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517674/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/No_Surrender,_No_Retreat
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A day late but I hope it is worth the wait! I love, love, love this episode.  

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This is a tightly plotted ricochet episode that ping pongs back and forth between John and Delenn’s attempts to utilize/foist off rumours, make bargains, and deal with/utilize lies.


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Recap and discussion of 4 x 12 – Conflicts of Interest

I disliked all the Garibaldi story line after the programming and I hated this one a lot.

Having said that, here goes.

We begin by seeing a good side of Garibaldi. He helps a man find his daughter and gets almost misty eyed over their reunion, so there is still come good left in Garibaldi. While this touching scene happens, we see that horrid Wade watching nearby. He and an associate talk about how they will give Garibaldi his first mission soon.

Sheridan has summoned Zack into his darkened (for what reason, I don’t know) office and tells Zack he wants him to get Garibaldi’s weapon and credentials, since he never turned them in. Zack objects but Sheridan says he doesn’t like the company Michael is keeping.

Franklin has returned from Mars and is talking to Ivanova in the War Room. She mentions that she wishes to begin the Voice of the Resistance broadcasts again, but they can’t get the signal out very far since they can’t use ISN anymore. Franklin suggests trying Epsilon III. Ivanova does a facepalm over not thinking of it.

Zack gets Garibaldi’s ID and guns, though Michael is not happy about it.

While Susan heads down to the planet, Wade visits Garibaldi and tells him of his mission – as a body guard and expediter(whatever that is). He agrees.

Ivanova goes to Epsilon III and meets Zathras. She is surprised since she knows he went into the past. They have a long and interesting conversation in which she learns there are 10 (now 9) of Zathras. He agrees to help her.

Garibaldi uses his ‘spare’ identicard to find a back way to the docking bay to meet the person he is to escort and guard. The original contact is not coming and has sent his wife in his stead. She turns out to be Lise Hampton, Garibaldi’s ex and the one he carries a torch for. Her name is now Lise Hampton Edgars.

It turns out that Lise divorced the man who she married after Garibaldi and he took her child. She is now married to William Edgars, the richest man on Mars, who owns a huge medical research facility. Wade tells them the meeting is set.

Sheridan meets with Mollari and G’kar, explaining to them that he has a new job for the Rangers, to protect civilians against Raiders and the Drakh. He wants to place them on Centauri and Narn borders as an example to encourage other of the Non-Aligned Worlds to allow them to help as well. Both object, citing that the other planets will think B5 is trying to use undue influence. Londo also mentions the Drakh are just legends used to frighten Centauri children. They finally reluctantly agree.

Zack notes an unauthorized entry onto the station by Garibaldi. He know then that Garibialdi kept his credentials. He invalidates all of Garibaldi’s IDs and locks him out of using them.

Garibaldi, Wade and Lise head for Downbelow to meet their contact. They do and he gives them an isoblock with something that is supposed to save telepaths from a flaw in their genes that could endanger them, according to Lise. There is trouble and shooting starts. Garibaldi and the rest run and Garibaldi finds out that the ones after them are telepaths. He saved Lise though when the telepaths are caught, they commit suicide.

Ivanova comes back with what she needed but Franklin warns her away from Sheridan, who is yelling at Garibaldi about the three dead men. He threatens Garibaldi but does nothing.

Garibaldi gets a message from Lise and deletes it.

Williams Edgars calls Garibaldi and offers him a job. He takes it.

The Voice of the Resistance is back on the air.



Cmdr. Susan Ivanova: I'm trying to put together a facility to broadcast messages back home and to the other colonies. We've got all of the pieces we need, but--
Zathras: But not having enough power to reach far places! Yes, Zathras understand. Everyone always coming to Zathras with problems. Big responsibility but Zathras does not mind. Zathras trained in crisis management.
Cmdr. Susan Ivanova: That's great, but--
Zathras: But only Zathras have no one to talk to. No one manages poor Zathras, you see. So Zathras talks to dirt. Or to walls, or talks to ceilings. But dirt is closer. Dirt is used to everyone walking on it. Just like Zathras. But we have come to like it. It is our role. It is our destiny in the universe. So, you see, sometimes dirt has insects in it. And Zathras likes insects. Not so good for conversation, but much protein for diet. Hmmm, huh, huh, very good! - Zathras fix now. Come, this way.
Cmdr. Susan Ivanova: [as anchor for the Voice of the Resistance] This is Commander Susan Ivanova of Babylon 5, and this is the first official broadcast of the new Voice of the Resistance. We're sending this signal out to every ship that wants to hear the truth, to our fallen comrades and freedom fighters on Mars and Proxima 3, and to Earth, which, despite what you may have heard, is still our home and still the one dream that we are as loyal to now as we ever have been. Over the last three years, ever since President Clark took over after arranging the assassination of President Santiago, you have been hearing nothing but misinformation, propaganda, and outright lies. Now we're going to tell you the truth, and we're going to keep telling it until they shut us down or until President Clark steps down and returns Earth to the hands of its people. You can kill us, you can bomb our colonies, destroy our ships, murder innocent civilians, but you cannot kill the truth - and the truth is back in business.


1. Who do you think sent the telepaths to intercept the serum?
2. Do you think Lise was actually a surprise stand in for her husband?
3. Does Wade work for Edgars? Or Earth?
4. Is Londo still the Ambassador to B5 even though he is part of the government too?
5. Do you feel sorry for Garibaldi? Or do you just wish him gone?


Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/078.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517640/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflicts_of_Interest_(Babylon_5)
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Conflicts_of_Interest
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 S4, Episode 11:  Lines of Communication

I apologize for the lack of pictorial content; it has been quite a busy time at Chez vjs2259. This episode sets up the Minbari Civil War to come, gives Stephen a chance to mix business with pleasure, gives us a new villain of which there is more to come, and highlights two Awesome Ladies neither of which is named Ivanova! Also some nice Lennier moments, a bit of John/Delenn goodness, and some nice space battles.

Usually my main memory of this episode is the godawful representation of the Drakh, but there was So Much More!!


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What is up with the Warrior caste? I mean, really, guys. Find another hobby.

I feel the two upcoming civil wars should have been longer, lasting perhaps a season, going back and forth between events on Minbar and events on the station, Mars, and Earth. With loads of angsty sad panda messages between John and Delenn. Oh wait. Did I say that out loud?

Lennier is such a devoted subordinate. I used to side-eye Delenn pretty hard for just accepting his devotion without really seeing him. Maybe she should have been the one to 'look up'. 

Do you agree that Susan oozes sincerity, and is the right person to be the Voice of the Resistance? What is it with Sheridan's WWII fetish? Also, could anyone NOT notice Susan's pj's??
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From his Facebook Page

Actor and comedian Stephen Furst died on June 16, 2017 due to complications from diabetes.

Steve has a long list of earthly accomplishments. He was known to the world as an brilliant and prolific actor and filmmaker, but to his family and many dear friends he was also a beloved husband, father and kind friend whose memory will always be a blessing.

To truly honor him, do not cry for the loss of Stephen Furst. But rather, enjoy memories of all the times he made you snicker, laugh, or even snort to your own embarrassment. He intensely believed that laugher is the best therapy, and he would want us to practice that now.

If you knew him personally, remember his gift for lighting up a room. And no matter who you are, when you think of Steve, instead of being sad, celebrate his life by watching one of his movies or use one of his bits to make someone else laugh - really, really hard.


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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 10 – Racing Mars

This episode opens with Ivanova and Sheridan discussing how their supplies are going to be low soon. Ivanova says that she is going to find smugglers who will help, though Sheridan reminds her that the penalty is life now if they get caught. She then informs him that is going to take some time off since he hasn’t had any in 9 months. He realizes he can’t win against her.

Aboard the transport, Marcus is playing I Spy with a grumpy Franklin. He finds a spy as they play – a man named Captain Jack.

Captain Jack tells them he’s the brother of the pilot and he lets him wander about with a key. He’s eating an ‘Insta-Heat’ dinner of beef and potatoes while Franklin and Marcus have food bars. Franklin wants real food but Marcus is suspicious.

On B5, Sheridan is flipping through channels and all are blocked except for ISN, which is showing the awful show they made a few weeks earlier at B5. They are showing the Garibaldi interview part. Sheridan goes to talk to Garibaldi. Sheridan asks why the sudden animosity and Garibaldi spouts some crap about Sheridan believing his own press and Sheridan tells him he needs to keep negative opinions to himself. There are 3 men watching Garibaldi as Sheridan leaves.

Back on the ship, Capt. Jack recites a rhyme:
Lyta had a little Vorlon.
Her skin was pale as snow.
And everywhere that Lyta went,
Her Vorlon was sure to go.

They know immediately that he is with the Resistance from Mars. Jack gives them the identicards they will use on Mars. They are a couple who are honeymooning on Mars.

Meanwhile back on B5, Garibaldi meets the men who were watching him and Sheridan. They say they agree that Sheridan might need help and mention he should get it soon, before it’s too late.

Jack tells them Mars thinks Sheridan has forgotten them and he reveals they haven’t heard much at all about the shadow war, thinking it was just stories, Marcus assures him that Sheridan has not forgotten Mars.

Ivanova makes her pitch to the smugglers – they will smuggle only what B5 needs and B5 will do their maintenance, provide escorts and upgrades and if they don’t, she will make them pay… more or less.

Franklin, Marcus and Jack arrive on Mars and are met with armed men.

Number 2 – the second in command tells them he thinks they are assassins sent to kill Number 1 and he goes to check their ID, leaving them guarded.

Delenn sees John in the Zen Garden and tells him about another ritual – one that involves finding one another’s centers of pleasure. He agrees to do it, even though she tells him there could be 50 more rituals to perform.

Jack refuses to remove his coat, then shows Franklin his daughter, making sure he notes her address is on the back of the photo. A large group of armed guards come in, telling them their ID cards don’t check out. A woman, Number One, joins them and Jack tries to shoot but they knock her down and Marcus shoots his shoulder. A thing crawls away and the guards go after it but Jack gets away.

The guards catch the alien thing and Franklin determines that it is a body-controlling parasite and that Jack was acting under its influence.

Jackl calls Number One and tells her that the thing will grow back then he blows himself up with a stolen thermal grenade.

Sheridan goes to talk to Garibaldi one more time – and all hell breaks loose again when an alien woman approaches Sheridan as if he were some sort of holy man. Garibaldi grabs the woman and Sheridan hits him and puts him on notice.

Sheridan has to go through a large group of Minbari who will pray and meditate while he and Delenn are in the bedroom. The next morning Lennier says “WooHoo?” to him in the transport tube.

Franklin is invited out to dinner with Number One.

Garibaldi joins the men who approached them earlier and says he’s in.



Marcus Cole: I spy with my little eye something beginning with "B."
Dr. Stephen Franklin: Boxes.
Marcus Cole: Right. I spy with my little eye something beginning with "M."
Dr. Stephen Franklin: More boxes.
Marcus Cole: Two in a row.
Dr. Stephen Franklin: And that's when I shot him your honor.
Marcus Cole: I spy with my little eye something beginning with "E."
Dr. Stephen Franklin: I-I give up.
Marcus Cole: Oh come on.
Dr. Stephen Franklin: This better not be what I -
Marcus Cole, Dr. Stephen Franklin: Even MORE boxes!
1. Did you get the clues Jack sent them that something was wrong?
2. Who did you think the men who approached Garibaldi were?
3. Is Garibaldi acting entirely under the influence of his unknown commands?
4. Did you think it was funny that Mars had no idea about the Shadow War? Poor Marcus.
5. Did you see several signs of things to come in this one? For example: The creature on Jack.
The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/076.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517681/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_Mars
Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Racing_Mars
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Anything to do with Minbari culture, history, architecture, and ritual is catnip to me. So I love this episode. Actually I hated this episode when I first saw it. I was rather indignant that Delenn would agree to give up John just cause a lot of uptight bigoted Minbari wanted her to. I wanted her to tell them to buzz right off. But I spent a lot of time thinking about how hard it was for her to buck all that tradition, and also to give up all that tradition. Traditions give you structure and membership in a group. And that goes double or triple for a hierarchial society with definitive class distinctions. Delenn's relationship with her own people remains fascinating, even as it evolves. And there is so much here that presages Lennier's eventual fate.

Plus this episode got my son to memorize the lyrics to the 'Major-General's Song' from Pirates.

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Recap and discussion for 4 x 8 – The Illusion of Truth

This was an awful episode to watch. We know the real truth of Babylon 5 and we know what Randall and ISN are going to do to it. But we have no idea how bad it actually is until we watch, along with Sheridan, Ivanova and Delenn.

The episode opens with Sheridan and Susan discussing the station since the embargo. They also mention that Zack is doing well as head of security, even mentioning that there have been no incidents.

At this precise time, Zack’s men are trying to confiscate some cargo that the owner will not identify. Zack shoots and opens one of the crates, maybe on purpose, maybe not. A camera rises from it. The reporter tells Zack, “You just made the evening news.”

Franklin is telling Sheridan about a problem they are having with the cryo units that the telepaths are in and how they’re have to move them in order to save the teeps.

Sheridan gets a message: He’s here. He says there is something worse than shadows: reporters.

The reporter is Dan Randall of ISN and he tells Sheridan that Ivanova threatened to throw him out an airlock. Sheridan jokingly tells her she should always take their clothes first. The reporter claims that he is there to give them a fair chance at saying at least some of what they want to. “Work with us and we’ll get some of your points across.”

We see someone hiring Garibaldi to find a Drazi religious statue they’ve hidden treasures in. Then Lennier comes to him, telling him that he finds it hard to believe that Garibaldi quit. Garibaldi said he needed to do it for himself and when Lennier tried to say the Captain, Garibaldi said “speak of the devil and he appears” just as Sheridan came in with the reporter, looking for Lennier.

Sheridan asks Lennier to show the reporter around the station, knowing that Lennier will be honest. As Sheridan walks away, he gives Garibaldi a hard look.

Garibaldi looks at the photo of the statue and flashes to someone saying: “You work for no one but us.”

The reporter mentions seeing a ship being repaired outside the station. Lennier says the ships pay for their parts but the station donates the labor. We see Lennier head butt a camera then he takes Randall to Down Below, telling him that many people who come here, especially now, cannot find work and end up living in Down Below, but that the Captain tries to find jobs for them to help them. They run into Franklin, who is donating his time at a clinic in Down Below. He speaks to someone on his comm about the cryo units.

They run into Londo complaining about his quarters being cold. He points a finger at Sheridan.

Randall interviews Sheridan and Delenn, though they say little, dodging questions about their relationship. Sheridan says Clark forced their hand when he declared Marshall Law. About their relationship. Delenn says, “The heart does what the heart does,” When pressed about whether people will accept them or not, John says they will have to.

Randall goes to Garibaldi. Garibaldi says he has nothing to say. Randall says he understands that Garibaldi is the only one who has been here since the station came online.

We jump to Susan and John getting ready to watch the show. Delenn joins them. John mentions that they were careful about what they said so it can’t be that bad.

ISN comes on and one of the stories is about hearings and people confessing to giving aid to the enemy (aliens) and we see a forced confession on the air. It reminds me of the McCarthy communist hunts.

Then we get to the story. Randall says B5 is full of humans living in filth while aliens have the good accommodations. A Minbari oversees them all and calls the shots, referring to his tour guide, Lennier.

He calls upon some psychiatrist expert who says that Sheridan has Helsinki Syndrome, a reference to Stockholm syndrome, in which he identifies with his enemies. He goes on to babble rather incoherently about Minbari War syndrome as well.

Randall mentions the cryo units then focuses on the ships being repaired outside B5, claiming that Earth taxes are paying to build a fleet of ships for our enemy.

He moves on to the interview with John and Delenn, in which we can see that he as obviously changed the questions, making it look as if they plan on attacking Earth.

Then we see what Garibaldi said, that Sheridan thinks he’s a god and can decide what is right for everyone and everything. It is then that anyone should be realizing there is something very wrong with Michael.

Back to the cryo units – obviously they are keeping a force of slaves here that they can thaw as needed. We even see Franklin deny there are cryo units there.

Randall says it is obvious that Sheridan is using humans to build a fleet to be used to invade earth. Sheridan is sick and thinks all humans should be become part alien, obviously influenced by Delenn.

He then mentions that Sheridan’s family farm has just burned and no one knows where his father is. (John mentioned earlier that he has not heard from his father in quite a while.)

Through the camera’s eye, we see Susan leave, Delenn leave then John turns the screen off.


In a departure, I will say that this episode hits very close to home. In my own country, we have reps of the president using terms such as ‘alternate facts’ to propagate lies and propaganda. We have a new slogan – America First and I’m waiting for the Ministry of Peace but perhaps we already have that in the Department of Homeland Security. We are not allowing people from ‘certain countries’ to come into our land while our allies are being insulted by our leadership and our secrets are being given by our own president to those who might harm us.

I am saddened by this episode simply because I fear it as a harbinger of things to come in my country and perhaps others.


What do YOU think?
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 7 – Epiphanies

We open B5 celebrating the end of the Shadow War and John watching from above. He tells Delenn that the war is over but there is much to be done.

Earth – a general tells Bester that Psi Corps, EarthForce, Nightwatch and the Ministry of Peace have a new mission – to discredit Babylon 5 and to shut it down permanently.

On Centauri Prime, Londo is preparing to leave for B5 for some reason and he tells the funny little minister that he has been chosen regent.

Franklin is examining G’kar’s empty eye socket and tells him he thinks he can fix him up with a prosthetic eyes though it will be one made for humans. G’kar says he’ll gladly take it. Franklin asks him why he turned down the chance to be ruler of his people. G’kar says the price for power is too high.

Garibaldi receives a coded message from somewhere… just a color pattern. A bit later he tells the others that he is resigning and going to start a detective agency. He says he deserves to find some happiness for himself.

Zack is telling his people what to do when people come aboard when Londo comes aboard. They joke a little and then Bester shows up as well. Zack makes a crack about the Second Coming when 3 Elvises come through (3 kings).

G’kar visits Garibaldi and thanks him, saying he paid small price to see his people free of the Centauri.

Capt. Sheridan makes Zack the head of security.

ISN report comes through. President Clark is banning all travel to Babylon 5, citing terrorist threats and such.

Zack goes to find Lyta for the Captain. She tells him that people only use her – he tells her people are leery of her association with the Vorlons.

G’kar speaks to Londo in the Zocalo.

Bester is upset that Lyta is there when he speaks to the Captain. She blocks him when he tries to scan the others. He tells Sheridan that Phase 1 of Clark’s plan is to discredit B5. He says he will tell them Phase 2 for a price. He wants to go to Z’ha’dum. Franklin reports to Bester that he is still trying to find a way to free Carolyn. Sheridan says he will take him. Bester says there is a security fleet in Sector 49 stopping ships coming to B5 and his mission to have Black Omega destroy the security force and blame it on B5.

Zack tells Garibaldi that he may be making a mistake but Garibaldi assures him he is not.

Sheridan and Delenn chat as they take Bester and Lyta to Z’ha’dum.

Earth Security in Sector 49 stop a ship and before it can attack, Ivanova and her Starfuries come of hyperspace and destroy the Black Omega ships. The Security cheap asks her where they’re from. She tells him and says they are not what he’s been told.

Bester asks Lyta how she can block him and she gets angry when he threatens her. He tells her she has a secret.

As they come to Z’ha’dum, they see an evacuation and Sheridan moves them away just as the planet begins to blow.

Zack shows Bester where Carolyn is being kept. He tells her that he would send his pilots to die again to save her, and to get in good with Sheridan.

Sheridan tells Lyta he knows she is why Z’ha’dum blew and if she does anything like that again without telling him first, he will give her to Bester. After he leaves, Zack shows up with pizza.

Ivanova says Clark is having a hard time explaining the ambush. John worries about the Shadow allies and where they went…

ON Centauri prime, the Regent says it was all a bad dream then exposes a keeper on his neck.


G’kar: I have seen what power does, and I have seen what power costs. The one is never equal to the other.

Bester: Ms. Alexander has no business being here. She's a blip! By all rights, I should arrest her and take her back with me.
Sheridan: Oh, you could do that. And I could nail your head to the table, set fire to it, and feed your charred remains to the Pak'ma'ra. But - it's an imperfect world, and we never get exactly what we want. So get used to it!<.i>

Sheridan: Captain's personal log: the Shadow War is over. We won. But I can't stop thinking about what it cost us and how much work is still ahead of us. Then again, maybe the doc's right. Embrace the moment. In the end, it's all we have. Trouble will come, in it's own time, it always does. But that's tomorrow. Give me today and I will be happy.


1. Is Bester sincere in warning Sheridan or is that the Psi Corps’ part in the plan?
2. Is Garibaldi Bester’s Ace in the hole?
3. Did you think it was a little fortuitous that Londo came to b5 when he did? A little too much so?
4. So who had an epiphany? Garibaldi? G’kar? Londo? Bester? Sheridan?


Wikia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphanies_(Babylon_5)
Lurkers’ Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/073.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517648/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Epiphanies
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Recap and discussion of 4 x 6 – Into the Fire

This episode contains my favorite scene in the entire series. I’ll bet you can guess which one it is!

Ivanova is searching for the First Ones and Lorien tells her there is one more. It appears.

John arrives at the battle and says “take us into the fire!”

Londo arrives home. The little minister mentions they’re in mourning for the emperor and Londo tells him to get busy; he needs the head of intelligence, transportation and war right away. He know they must get rid of the Shadows or they will be destroyed by the Vorlons. He tells the minister to get rid of all of Cartagia’s people. He says they must tell Mr. Morden the bad news.

Delenn tells John that Ivanova is on her way.

Lorien talks to Susan, telling her how a short life is a gift – because ‘only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal. You should embrace that remarkable illusion; it may be the greatest gift your race has ever received.’ (Don’t tell me JMS isn’t a romantic!)

The minister of Intelligence comes to Londo and tells him that Morden, not Refa, ordered Adira’s death. Londo is so angry that he cries and trashes the room after the man leaves.

Morden is brought before Londo. He tells him to remove the Shadows from the island that Cartagia gave them and Morden laughs, saying the Vorlons won’t kill 3 billion people. Londo has his associates shot. Morden refuses to have them leave and Londo nukes the island then has Morden taken away.

Susan arrives with Lorien and the Shadows and Vorlons face off.

Londo tells Vir he has removed the last of the Shadow influence - go look in the garden. He does. Morden’s head is on a pike. Vir thinks of the day Morden asked him what he wanted and Vir had told him that he would wave to his head one day… and he does.

The First Ones come in and blow up the Vorlon planet killer.

The planet killer arrives just as Vir reminds Londo that there is one more Shadow influence and Londo asks Vir to kill him - just as the Vorlons call all their ships to Coriana VI. The planet killer leaves.

Lorien comes onboard as the Vorlons and the Shadows try to explain themselves to John and Delenn, which Lorien broadcasts to all the fleet. They each explain their philosophies and in the end, the alliance members are willing to die to protect John and Delenn. Lorien tells the Vorlons and Shadows that they are no longer needed and that the younger races can stand on their own. He will go with them beyond the rim… and John says “Now get the hell out of our galaxy, the both of you!"

He and Delenn declare it the third age.


Delenn: …Not gone. Now we make our own magic. Now we create our own legends. Now we build the future. Now we stop...
John Sheridan: Being afraid... of Shadows.
Marcus: Did we just win?
Susan: Don't jinx it.
John, in answer to Delenn asking why a third age: Well, we began in chaos, too primitive to make our own decisions. Then we were manipulated by forces from outside that thought *they* knew what was best for us. And now, - Now we're finally standing on our own.


1. Was the actual end of the war a letdown? The whined and asked mommy could they go home? Really?
2. What about Londo? Was he lovable again for you? Not?
3. Did you love the Vir and Morden’s head scene?
4. Now what? Did you ask yourself that the first time you saw it?


Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Fire_(Babylon_5)
Wikiquote: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Babylon_5#The_Long_Night
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517661/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/072.html\
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Recap and discussion for 4 x 5 – The Long Night

Captain's Personal Log. We're almost ready to strike. The next few days will either mark the beginning of a new age…or the death of everything we've worked for.

And there you have it.

Ivanova reports the destruction of another planet by the Shadow planet killer. It would seem that the two are killing one another’s allies rather than one another.

Londo and a group of unnamed Centauri meet in a dark room. He tells them they must act hastily. One of the men points out that Londo is partly to blame but Vir reminds them that it is imperative to get the Shadow ships off of Centauri Prime before the Vorlon planet killer arrives. Londo stresses that will not happen as long as Cartagia is alive. Londo has lured him to the Narn homeworld to do this. He says that either Cartagia will die by the end of the day OR Centauri Prime will be destroyed.

John tells Susan he wants her, Marcus and Lorien to go out in search of the rest of the First Ones. She tells him she will not be left out of the battle. He assures her this will not happen. She tells the story of her mother sending her next door before she took her own life and says she won’t be left behind again, no matter what.

John tells her she has been a good friend and he is very proud of her.

The Centauri court is much like a circus and brings Nero to mind yet again. I think I read somewhere that Nero was actually the inspiration for Cartagia. The emperor tells Londo that he has decided that Londo may accompany him as he becomes a god, that they will leave the planet when the Vorlons come.

Londo slips out to check on G’kar. In a quote that sounds very biblical, G’kar says his eye is gone because it offended Cartagia. Londo says when he is brought out for his execution, his chains have been weakened and he is to break them, creating a diversion that will enable Londo to kill Cartagia. He reminds G’kar not to hurt the emperor or the Narn will suffer.

Vir comes to Londo with the poison pin in a case. He tells him it must be injected directly into Cartagia’s chest between his hearts.

G’kar is paraded in front of the locals in another rather biblical scene. Cartagia mentions that the chains were replaced since the ones he had looked weak. They read the list of crimes and sentence – death by vivisection. G’kar breaks his chains and when Londo tries to get the emperor to come away, he slaps Londo, knocking him down and knocking the pin away. When the emperor turns back, Vir stabs him with the poison and he falls dead as he tries to choke Vir.

Londo announces Cartagia’s death and says they should leave Narn forever. They actually have 3 days to get home and fix the Shadow problem. Londo is named Prime Minister.

John’s war staff is meeting. Lennier keeps trying to tell them all something but no one will shut up long enough. White Star 14 calls and tells them that the Shadow planet killer sends thousands of missiles into the center of a planet and then it blows up in a day or so…

John says he wonders where their next hit will be and Lennier finally tells them that the Vorlons are amassing in hyperspace near Coriana VI, a planet with about 6 billion people. They tell Captain Ericsson to stand by.

Londo comes for Vir, who is drunk. Londo tells him it had to be done. Vir says he just wanted a job, a small title and a wife who might love him - Londo says he’s been jealous of Vir’s innocence.

The Narn’s are celebrating. Londo says he will keep his promise to G’kar, he woes him that much.

Everyone is waiting for Sheridan. He tells them that the Vorlons are going to hit Coriana VI and they will launch a counteroffensive. Phase 1 will be 1/3 of fleet will slow down the Vorlon advance to tie up their resources. Then the entire fleet will meet outside the orbit of Coriana VI. Phase 2 is the search for the rest of the First Ones. Plus there is an invitation they must issue – to the Shadows. John says if they want Armageddon, let’s give it to them. He knows they have to trick the shadows to come.

Ericsson will be given a false report and the shadows will kill him and his crew to get this info that they assume is real. He is willing to sacrifice himself for the cause. (Bryan Cranston!)

Narn is still celebrating. G’kar walks into the throne room and the Narn want to attack the Centauri and name G’kar as king. He refuses. He says they need to rebuild instead. He laughs and leaves the throne room.

The Shadows take the bait. The attack on the Vorlons begins. John says he found a poem by Tennyson in his drawer, left by someone (Sinclair, we know).

Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.


Londo: Great Maker! Your eye! Cartagia?
G’kar: My eye offended him. Doesn't matter. I can see things now that were invisible to me before. An empty eye sees through to an empty heart.
G'Lorn: We suffered and died during their occupation. Where were you? What have you endured?
G'Kar: What have I endured?


1. Did Vir surprise you? JMS says he surprised him. Did you shout at the TV?
2. Did it take you as long as it did our heroes to figure out that the Vorlons and Shadows were not willing to die themselves?
3. Will G’kar ever tell the Narn why they are really free of the Centauri?
4. Did you find yourself liking Londo again?


Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/071.html
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Long_Night
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Night_(Babylon_5)
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517708/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Wikiquote: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Babylon_5#The_Long_Night
Poetry Foundation: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/45392
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1.       the highest point in the development of something; culmination or climax.

2.       the elevation of someone to divine status; deification.

late 16th century: via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek apotheōsis, from apotheoun ‘make a god of,’ from apo ‘from’ + theos ‘god.’


Save us from Gods and those who have to deal with them.
We always have choices, but those choices have consequences.  

And I love a TV show which sends me to the dictionary.

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