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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 7 – Epiphanies

We open B5 celebrating the end of the Shadow War and John watching from above. He tells Delenn that the war is over but there is much to be done.

Earth – a general tells Bester that Psi Corps, EarthForce, Nightwatch and the Ministry of Peace have a new mission – to discredit Babylon 5 and to shut it down permanently.

On Centauri Prime, Londo is preparing to leave for B5 for some reason and he tells the funny little minister that he has been chosen regent.

Franklin is examining G’kar’s empty eye socket and tells him he thinks he can fix him up with a prosthetic eyes though it will be one made for humans. G’kar says he’ll gladly take it. Franklin asks him why he turned down the chance to be ruler of his people. G’kar says the price for power is too high.

Garibaldi receives a coded message from somewhere… just a color pattern. A bit later he tells the others that he is resigning and going to start a detective agency. He says he deserves to find some happiness for himself.

Zack is telling his people what to do when people come aboard when Londo comes aboard. They joke a little and then Bester shows up as well. Zack makes a crack about the Second Coming when 3 Elvises come through (3 kings).

G’kar visits Garibaldi and thanks him, saying he paid small price to see his people free of the Centauri.

Capt. Sheridan makes Zack the head of security.

ISN report comes through. President Clark is banning all travel to Babylon 5, citing terrorist threats and such.

Zack goes to find Lyta for the Captain. She tells him that people only use her – he tells her people are leery of her association with the Vorlons.

G’kar speaks to Londo in the Zocalo.

Bester is upset that Lyta is there when he speaks to the Captain. She blocks him when he tries to scan the others. He tells Sheridan that Phase 1 of Clark’s plan is to discredit B5. He says he will tell them Phase 2 for a price. He wants to go to Z’ha’dum. Franklin reports to Bester that he is still trying to find a way to free Carolyn. Sheridan says he will take him. Bester says there is a security fleet in Sector 49 stopping ships coming to B5 and his mission to have Black Omega destroy the security force and blame it on B5.

Zack tells Garibaldi that he may be making a mistake but Garibaldi assures him he is not.

Sheridan and Delenn chat as they take Bester and Lyta to Z’ha’dum.

Earth Security in Sector 49 stop a ship and before it can attack, Ivanova and her Starfuries come of hyperspace and destroy the Black Omega ships. The Security cheap asks her where they’re from. She tells him and says they are not what he’s been told.

Bester asks Lyta how she can block him and she gets angry when he threatens her. He tells her she has a secret.

As they come to Z’ha’dum, they see an evacuation and Sheridan moves them away just as the planet begins to blow.

Zack shows Bester where Carolyn is being kept. He tells her that he would send his pilots to die again to save her, and to get in good with Sheridan.

Sheridan tells Lyta he knows she is why Z’ha’dum blew and if she does anything like that again without telling him first, he will give her to Bester. After he leaves, Zack shows up with pizza.

Ivanova says Clark is having a hard time explaining the ambush. John worries about the Shadow allies and where they went…

ON Centauri prime, the Regent says it was all a bad dream then exposes a keeper on his neck.


G’kar: I have seen what power does, and I have seen what power costs. The one is never equal to the other.

Bester: Ms. Alexander has no business being here. She's a blip! By all rights, I should arrest her and take her back with me.
Sheridan: Oh, you could do that. And I could nail your head to the table, set fire to it, and feed your charred remains to the Pak'ma'ra. But - it's an imperfect world, and we never get exactly what we want. So get used to it!<.i>

Sheridan: Captain's personal log: the Shadow War is over. We won. But I can't stop thinking about what it cost us and how much work is still ahead of us. Then again, maybe the doc's right. Embrace the moment. In the end, it's all we have. Trouble will come, in it's own time, it always does. But that's tomorrow. Give me today and I will be happy.


1. Is Bester sincere in warning Sheridan or is that the Psi Corps’ part in the plan?
2. Is Garibaldi Bester’s Ace in the hole?
3. Did you think it was a little fortuitous that Londo came to b5 when he did? A little too much so?
4. So who had an epiphany? Garibaldi? G’kar? Londo? Bester? Sheridan?


Wikia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphanies_(Babylon_5)
Lurkers’ Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/073.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517648/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Epiphanies
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Recap and discussion of 4 x 6 – Into the Fire

This episode contains my favorite scene in the entire series. I’ll bet you can guess which one it is!

Ivanova is searching for the First Ones and Lorien tells her there is one more. It appears.

John arrives at the battle and says “take us into the fire!”

Londo arrives home. The little minister mentions they’re in mourning for the emperor and Londo tells him to get busy; he needs the head of intelligence, transportation and war right away. He know they must get rid of the Shadows or they will be destroyed by the Vorlons. He tells the minister to get rid of all of Cartagia’s people. He says they must tell Mr. Morden the bad news.

Delenn tells John that Ivanova is on her way.

Lorien talks to Susan, telling her how a short life is a gift – because ‘only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal. You should embrace that remarkable illusion; it may be the greatest gift your race has ever received.’ (Don’t tell me JMS isn’t a romantic!)

The minister of Intelligence comes to Londo and tells him that Morden, not Refa, ordered Adira’s death. Londo is so angry that he cries and trashes the room after the man leaves.

Morden is brought before Londo. He tells him to remove the Shadows from the island that Cartagia gave them and Morden laughs, saying the Vorlons won’t kill 3 billion people. Londo has his associates shot. Morden refuses to have them leave and Londo nukes the island then has Morden taken away.

Susan arrives with Lorien and the Shadows and Vorlons face off.

Londo tells Vir he has removed the last of the Shadow influence - go look in the garden. He does. Morden’s head is on a pike. Vir thinks of the day Morden asked him what he wanted and Vir had told him that he would wave to his head one day… and he does.

The First Ones come in and blow up the Vorlon planet killer.

The planet killer arrives just as Vir reminds Londo that there is one more Shadow influence and Londo asks Vir to kill him - just as the Vorlons call all their ships to Coriana VI. The planet killer leaves.

Lorien comes onboard as the Vorlons and the Shadows try to explain themselves to John and Delenn, which Lorien broadcasts to all the fleet. They each explain their philosophies and in the end, the alliance members are willing to die to protect John and Delenn. Lorien tells the Vorlons and Shadows that they are no longer needed and that the younger races can stand on their own. He will go with them beyond the rim… and John says “Now get the hell out of our galaxy, the both of you!"

He and Delenn declare it the third age.


Delenn: …Not gone. Now we make our own magic. Now we create our own legends. Now we build the future. Now we stop...
John Sheridan: Being afraid... of Shadows.
Marcus: Did we just win?
Susan: Don't jinx it.
John, in answer to Delenn asking why a third age: Well, we began in chaos, too primitive to make our own decisions. Then we were manipulated by forces from outside that thought *they* knew what was best for us. And now, - Now we're finally standing on our own.


1. Was the actual end of the war a letdown? The whined and asked mommy could they go home? Really?
2. What about Londo? Was he lovable again for you? Not?
3. Did you love the Vir and Morden’s head scene?
4. Now what? Did you ask yourself that the first time you saw it?


Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Fire_(Babylon_5)
Wikiquote: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Babylon_5#The_Long_Night
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517661/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/072.html\
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Recap and discussion for 4 x 5 – The Long Night

Captain's Personal Log. We're almost ready to strike. The next few days will either mark the beginning of a new age…or the death of everything we've worked for.

And there you have it.

Ivanova reports the destruction of another planet by the Shadow planet killer. It would seem that the two are killing one another’s allies rather than one another.

Londo and a group of unnamed Centauri meet in a dark room. He tells them they must act hastily. One of the men points out that Londo is partly to blame but Vir reminds them that it is imperative to get the Shadow ships off of Centauri Prime before the Vorlon planet killer arrives. Londo stresses that will not happen as long as Cartagia is alive. Londo has lured him to the Narn homeworld to do this. He says that either Cartagia will die by the end of the day OR Centauri Prime will be destroyed.

John tells Susan he wants her, Marcus and Lorien to go out in search of the rest of the First Ones. She tells him she will not be left out of the battle. He assures her this will not happen. She tells the story of her mother sending her next door before she took her own life and says she won’t be left behind again, no matter what.

John tells her she has been a good friend and he is very proud of her.

The Centauri court is much like a circus and brings Nero to mind yet again. I think I read somewhere that Nero was actually the inspiration for Cartagia. The emperor tells Londo that he has decided that Londo may accompany him as he becomes a god, that they will leave the planet when the Vorlons come.

Londo slips out to check on G’kar. In a quote that sounds very biblical, G’kar says his eye is gone because it offended Cartagia. Londo says when he is brought out for his execution, his chains have been weakened and he is to break them, creating a diversion that will enable Londo to kill Cartagia. He reminds G’kar not to hurt the emperor or the Narn will suffer.

Vir comes to Londo with the poison pin in a case. He tells him it must be injected directly into Cartagia’s chest between his hearts.

G’kar is paraded in front of the locals in another rather biblical scene. Cartagia mentions that the chains were replaced since the ones he had looked weak. They read the list of crimes and sentence – death by vivisection. G’kar breaks his chains and when Londo tries to get the emperor to come away, he slaps Londo, knocking him down and knocking the pin away. When the emperor turns back, Vir stabs him with the poison and he falls dead as he tries to choke Vir.

Londo announces Cartagia’s death and says they should leave Narn forever. They actually have 3 days to get home and fix the Shadow problem. Londo is named Prime Minister.

John’s war staff is meeting. Lennier keeps trying to tell them all something but no one will shut up long enough. White Star 14 calls and tells them that the Shadow planet killer sends thousands of missiles into the center of a planet and then it blows up in a day or so…

John says he wonders where their next hit will be and Lennier finally tells them that the Vorlons are amassing in hyperspace near Coriana VI, a planet with about 6 billion people. They tell Captain Ericsson to stand by.

Londo comes for Vir, who is drunk. Londo tells him it had to be done. Vir says he just wanted a job, a small title and a wife who might love him - Londo says he’s been jealous of Vir’s innocence.

The Narn’s are celebrating. Londo says he will keep his promise to G’kar, he woes him that much.

Everyone is waiting for Sheridan. He tells them that the Vorlons are going to hit Coriana VI and they will launch a counteroffensive. Phase 1 will be 1/3 of fleet will slow down the Vorlon advance to tie up their resources. Then the entire fleet will meet outside the orbit of Coriana VI. Phase 2 is the search for the rest of the First Ones. Plus there is an invitation they must issue – to the Shadows. John says if they want Armageddon, let’s give it to them. He knows they have to trick the shadows to come.

Ericsson will be given a false report and the shadows will kill him and his crew to get this info that they assume is real. He is willing to sacrifice himself for the cause. (Bryan Cranston!)

Narn is still celebrating. G’kar walks into the throne room and the Narn want to attack the Centauri and name G’kar as king. He refuses. He says they need to rebuild instead. He laughs and leaves the throne room.

The Shadows take the bait. The attack on the Vorlons begins. John says he found a poem by Tennyson in his drawer, left by someone (Sinclair, we know).

Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.


Londo: Great Maker! Your eye! Cartagia?
G’kar: My eye offended him. Doesn't matter. I can see things now that were invisible to me before. An empty eye sees through to an empty heart.
G'Lorn: We suffered and died during their occupation. Where were you? What have you endured?
G'Kar: What have I endured?


1. Did Vir surprise you? JMS says he surprised him. Did you shout at the TV?
2. Did it take you as long as it did our heroes to figure out that the Vorlons and Shadows were not willing to die themselves?
3. Will G’kar ever tell the Narn why they are really free of the Centauri?
4. Did you find yourself liking Londo again?


Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/071.html
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Long_Night
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Night_(Babylon_5)
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517708/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Wikiquote: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Babylon_5#The_Long_Night
Poetry Foundation: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/45392
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1.       the highest point in the development of something; culmination or climax.

2.       the elevation of someone to divine status; deification.

late 16th century: via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek apotheōsis, from apotheoun ‘make a god of,’ from apo ‘from’ + theos ‘god.’


Save us from Gods and those who have to deal with them.
We always have choices, but those choices have consequences.  

And I love a TV show which sends me to the dictionary.

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 I often forget to post this part, but hey, I remembered! Mention or rec fanworks for The Summoning in the comments!
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Okay guys. It has been a rough few weeks. And then my laptop didn't want to play the DVDs for screen capping. I scavenged pictures from Google Images and an old screencap file I had made for icon work. Saved by the Internet and my own obsession with this episode. 

This is a great and pivotal episode. The launching pad of several AUs, well of mine at least. I even included a theme song for you. And now, on to the recap!
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If you have any fanworks from these 2 eps, please feel free to post links here. OR if you have recs for other works.
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Recap and discussion of 4 x 2 – What Ever happened to Mr. Garibaldi?

I have to admit that this episode, particularly the Lorien bits, rather annoyed me this time around. To paraphrase a judge on Boston Legal, there was just too much jibber jabber. Lorien tends to drone on and on, I’m afraid, and says so many things that make little sense that I completely ignored most of it.

We open with Franklin saying 9 days since Z’ha’dum. He says lots of the League worlds have left B5 and gone home to wait for the other shoe to drop, for the war to resume in earnest.

Lennier tells Franklin that he worries for Delenn.

John is dreaming - ‘Who are you?’, ‘What do you want?’ He tells Lorien he was dreaming of escape since it is his obligation to escape. Lorien says words have power. Which came first, thought or word? (See what I mean?)

Lorien tells him he is dead, suspended in time between the tic and the toc.

‘Here between moments, we have all the time in the world.’

Meanwhile, G’kar walks into a bar, searching for Mr. Garibaldi. He asks a man about a piece of a Starfury with the same serial number as Mr. Garibaldi’s. The man doesn’t want to talk to him. Marcus shows up just as a fight is imminent and when they leave, the bar owner has them followed and tells a Centauri that he might have something for him.

Franklin tells Delenn as a part human, she cannot fast as she did in the past. It will harm her. She says John’s death is her fault and that she will fast and die and join him in a place where no shadows fall.

Marcus and G’kar figure out that someone is after G’kar. Marcus asks why he is hunting Mr. Garibaldi. G’kar answers that he never before had a non-Narn friend. Marcus says he never had a friend who was a narn and damn few friends at all. G’kar takes a look at Marcus’ pike, likes it.

Two Centauri are showing the bar owner a photo array of wanted Narns and he identifies G’kar.

Stephen finds a data crystal for Delenn in John’s effects. He takes it to her. She plays it. John tells her loves her and he has to see things through.

Marcus finally does find out that the piece was found on a tip from IPX. G’kar tells him to go back to B5 to find Montagne while he will check out the ship. The Centauri come for G’kar and take him after a fight.

Delenn calls the Rangers together and tells them they will attack Z’ha’dum in 7 days. She says theuir chances are small but their chances are zero if they do nothing at all.

Emperor Cartagia sends for Londo in the middle of the night. When he does show up, Cartagia bitches about him being late but decides to forgive him anyway since Londo does mention that he uis ;late because he knew he must dress properly for the emperor. He gifts Londo with G’kar. Londo thanks him. G’kar asks if they know where Mr. Garibaldi might be.
Finally we see Michael. He is beating the walls. He’s being interrogated by a voice and says he doesn’t know the answer. He’s gassed then a man walks in.

Londo visits G’kar’s cell. He tells him he was very foolish to leave B5, where he was granted sanctuary. He tells G’kar they will torture and kill him and that he does not wish that on anyone, even G’Kar. He tells G’kar that Cartagia is a monster and he wants his help in removing him. G’kar says he will do so only with Londo’s promise to see the Narn free. G’kar agrees.

Lorien says he was not ONE of the first ones, but he was THE first one. He tells John he is the first to make it that far, maybe he can make it out. He tells John he must surrender to toc (die). He must stop running from death and simply be. ‘Do you have something worth living for?’

John thinks of Delenn.



Lorien: It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for?

Lorien: Words have meaning. And Names have power. The universe began with a word, you know. But which came first? The word or the thought behind the word?

G'Kar: If you're going to be worried every time the universe doesn't make sense you'll be worried every moment of every day for the rest of your natural life.
Marcus Cole: Your point being?


1. Did you actually understand what Lorien said? Are you sure *grin*?
2. Did PsiCorp take Mr. Garibaldi?
3. Were you surprised at the deal between Londo and G’kar?
4. Why is Susan so broke up that she has Stephen clean out John’s things?
5. So did John free himself when he chose to die? Or did he choose to live?


The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/068.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517723/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Whatever_Happened_to_Mr._Garibaldi%3F
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatever_Happened_to_Mr._Garibaldi%3F
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 1 – The Hour of the Wolf

A new season with answers and questions and much more. This episode has enough stuff for 3 eps yet it’s all there and all done well.
We see the newer and wiser Citizen G’kar, the Londo we actual learn to love and one crazy ass bastard in this episode.


Seven days after Z’ha’dum and G’kar says Ivanova seems lost. Londo has returned home. Delenn sits and prays and meditates…

He also says change is coming and two questions must be answered: 1. Where is Garibaldi. And 2. What happened to Sheridan at Z’ha’dum?

The episode begins at 5:30 am with Ivanova’s alarm - giving her messages and reminders while she sits, having not slept at all. Later we see her arguing with an alien before Delenn reminds them that they owe Sheridan for saving them. G’kar reminds them that the war is not over but in the end, they say since Sheridan is gone, they must attend to their own and begin leaving B5.

We join Londo on Centauri Prime, where he speaks to the odd little minister. He says he’s met Cartagia twice, once when he was a drooling baby and the second time when he was a teen looking up dresses. He remarks that he expects not much has changed.

He meets him. Cartagia has short hair, which Londo doesn’t like. The emperor tells Londo that he called him home for 2 reasons: 1. Londo has experience and sees the ‘big picture’. 2. Londo was requested.

Back on B5, Vir meets with Ivanova and tells her that Sheridan was taken to an underground city on Z’ha’dum and that his White Star crashed into the city with 2 500 megaton nukes which exploded and made a 2 mile chasm. Sheridan must be dead and must have taken many of the shadows with him. Perhaps even Morden.

Back on Centauri Prime, Londo goes into his quarters to find a burned and blistered Morden waiting for him. Morden tells him that he will soon be recovered. Morden makes some bad puns about ashes and shadows then tells Londo that he is the person who requested Londo be here. He tells Londo that they have had to seek outside assistance sooner than they hoped because of what Sheridan did. Cartagia will loan them a piece of Centauri Prime.

Londo says the emperor is mad… Morden reminds him that he and Refa put the emperor in place. He tells Londo he will be their liaison to the royal court. When Londo tries to refuse, Morden says he will do it because he is drawn to power and because he fears what others might do in his place.

Delenn tries to talk to the Vorlon but he refuses to do anything at all. He says Sheridan opened an unexpected door but will not elaborate. Delenn is angry and tells him that she no longer respects the Vorlons and the not Kosh tells her that is not relevant.

Zack is checking out Garibaldi’s quarters when he finds someone there… he think its Garibaldi at first but it’s G’kar wearing G.’s hat. G’kar says he fears that garibaldi has been forgotten in all the other happenings. G’kar asks if Daffy is one of G.’s household gods. Zack says he’s kinda like the Egyptian god of frustration – they laugh. Zack says hwat he thnks doesn’t matter and G’kar says our thoughts form the universe, they always matter. G’kar says he will search for Michael.

Londo is hunting his coat as the little minister comes in and tells him Cartagia has something to show him – a glorious day. Londo follows out into the sand garden where he sees hundreds (perhaps thousands) of shadow ships coming over, exactly as they were in his dream (vision). Cartagis has given them Selini in exchange for making him a god. When Londo challenges the sacrifice of the Centauri people, Cartagia tells him that no sacrifice is too great in order for him to become a deity.

Londo realizes how truly insane the emperor is as he backs toward the doors. Once outside, he mentions to the little minister that Cartagia mad and the minister shushes him, telling him that those who end up disappearing and there is a rumor that Cartagia keeps their heads on his desk and talks to them late at night.

Ulkesh won‘t tell Lyta what they plan but she senses something dark in him.

Londo calls Vir at b5 and tells him to come right away. He asks if something is wrong and Londo says everything is wrong. “Conspiracies require more than one person and I trust no one here.”

Cartagia goes into a dark room and he begins to talk to a line of heads on his desk.

Lyta visits Susan and she tells Lyta of the Hour of the Wolf, between 3 and 4 in the morning all you can see are problems and trouble. She says she’s been in the hour of the wolf for 7 days now. The vodka she’s drinking isn’t helping either.

Lyta asks her of she’s gotten anyone to agree to go to Z’ha’dum. She says she can block some of the shadows to keep them from finding out they’re there and she thinks she can find him with her link to Kosh. They get Delenn and off they go. They find nothing and would have been drawn down to the planet except that Lennier had programmed a failsafe into the White Star that would head home if he didn’t touch the controls for a certain amount of time.

Under Z’ha’dum, we see someone walking with a hood over his head.

Vir arrives home. Londo is hunting listening devices. After he removes one, he tells Vir that Cartagia is nuts and has invited the shadows here in exchange for godhood. He tells Vir they must stop the emperor, no matter the cost. “I need a friend and a patriot and you are both.” He says they must kill Cartagia.

It’s 5:30 am again in Ivanova’s quarters. She says Sheridan is dead and they must finish the work he began.

John Sheridan is sitting by a fire. A being walks in – each of them ask “Who are You?” Thy eshare the fire.


Londo to Vir: Vir, it is a terrible truth but as one accumulates power, one loses friends. One only has those who wish to use you and those you wish to use. And yet, in all of this, you have somehow managed to walk through the corridors of power and not be touched. I can only assume you have not been paying attention. And still, the hideous truth is: you are the closest thing I have to a friend. I'm as shocked and dismayed by this as you are, but there it is.


1. So many things… what was your favorite part? Mine was when Londo realizes just how batshit crazy the emperor truly is.
2. Is John really on Z’ha’dum? (I might ask this one again next week too.)
3. Morden?
4. Was there too much in this episode?


IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517705/
Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/067.html
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Hour_of_the_Wolf
Wikiquote: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Babylon_5#The_Hour_of_the_Wolf
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hour_of_the_Wolf
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I watched the episode in which Londo finds out just how crwazy the emperor is today and then had to sign the new Russian user agreement that I cannnpot read since it's actually in Russian.

SOOO- I do not plan to close this group but I may make a copy of it at Dw. Anyone interested in comntinuiung there if this shipo sinks?

Here is the new community:
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Well, my friends, he did it... we all knew he would and this brings us to the end of Season 3. I give you Z'ha'dum.

Recap and discussion of 3 x 22 – Z’ha’dum

We open with some looking back… to Anna, to the Icaris going to Z’ha’dum then we hear Delenn explain the three nights of watching that the woman does and we see Delenn watching him sleep. We see her pick up a snowglobe and Anna Sheridan walks in and introduces herself.

John asks her what she is doing there and she says all will be explained if he will come back with her to Z’ha’dum.

G’kar shows Ivanova a bunch of thermal mines that they have to defend the station with.

Franklin is running tests and says she is Anna. He has found some scarring on the nape of her neck.

John angrily confronts Delenn, telling her he cannot trust her since she must have known that Anna might be alive. She tries to explain that she does not think the thing that is Anna, is truly his Anna. She says she assumed Anna would rather die than become a servant of the Shadows and that she could not let him go to Z’ha’dum. She tells him she loves him.

Londo is drinking heavily when Vir asks him what is the matter. He says he has been offered a position as advisor on planetary security but he knows it’s a trap to keep him where he can be watched carefully. A man comes up and tells Londo to leave the station if he values his life.

Stephen finds that Anna’s scars are the same as those of Carolyn Sanderson.

Anna is with John. She is still pressing him to go to Z’ha’dum with her. He says he won’t go until she tells him what happened with the Icarus. She says when the vessel was discovered on Mars, they’d planted a homing device on it and Dr. Chang was following it to Z’ha’dum. She said the crew was killed in an accident and that there is tech there that would give Earth endless energy and cure disease, etc.

John sees the scans from Stephen.

Garibaldi comes to see Sheridan. He gives Mr. G. a list of things to do. Garibaldi realizes what he’s up to. John says he can’t tell anyone and when things are done, they can talk of the weather. As he is packing, we hear Kosh say inside his head, “If you go to Z’ha’dum, you will die.”

Michael gets everything ready. He mentions the weather to John.

John makes a video for Delenn.

He and Anna leave for Z’ha’dum. She tells him the Vorlon tech on his White Star will kill the ‘aliens’. He tells her they will go down to the planet in a shuttle, leaving the ship in orbit.

Franklin tells Ivanova that John is gone and that he has found a problem with Anna.

Anna introduces John to the ‘middle man’ – Justin. He babbles some silly BS.

Delenn looks at the message: He said he went to stop the Shadows and to maybe change the future in regards to Londo that he saw on B4. He says he wants to stay alive but that he knows it’s a trap.

Justin talks about the 2 races who stayed when the first ones left: the Shadows and the Vorlons. He said they stayed to help the younger races. The Vorlons were the Lords of Order while the shadows believed that growth came through conflict and chaos. In other words, the Shadows believe in weeding out the weak.

Shadow ships come out of hyperspace all around Babylon 5. Ivanova scrambles fighters, but tells them not to fire yet.

Morden speaks about evolving through conflict and talks about the Vorlons manipulating the younger races to their own ends. Anna says they must get all the races to fight, not to unify as John has done with them.

John says Anna is not his Anna. Justin said Anna chose badly and was used in a ship. A shadow slips in the door behind John. Even though they made him give up his weapons, he slipped a gun in anyway. He shoots the shadow.

Susan asks G’kar about using the mines and he tells her that 2 of them are missing.

John is crawling away, bloodied but alive. He hits a button that arms the White Star. Anna comes out and asks him to come back inside.

On the video message to Delenn, John tells her he loves her. She begins to cry.

Kosh tell John to jump. He does just as the White Star comes down through the sky light. Anna screams a shadow scream.

The shadows leave Babylon but not before capturing Mr. Garibaldi.

G’kar says there is a pause in the war and the universe is holding its breath.



G’kar’s monologue:

“It was the end of the Earth Year 2260, and the war had paused, suddenly, and unexpectedly. All around us it was as if the universe was holding its breath, waiting. All of life can be broken down into moments of transition or moments of revelation. This had the feeling of both. G’Quan wrote, ‘There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way.’ The war we fight is not against powers or principalities. It is against chaos. And despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope. The death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting in moments of transition to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future. Or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born… in pain.”



1. Were you surprised when you first saw it? Were you expecting a plot device miracle?
2. Did you notice how much the Shadow agent sent to Londo sounded like Sebastian? I did and it creeped me out.
3. Did you think the John/Delenn courtship was suddenly too fast? They kiss and now she’s doing the ritual 3 night watch?
4. Did Susan feel the explosion at Z’ha’dum? Or just guess?
5. Why was John the nexus? Destiny? Had the Vorlons done it? The Great Machine? Chance?


IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517724/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/066.html
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%27ha%27dum
AV Club: http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/babylon-5-zhadum-102103
Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iCPsR_KTL4
[identity profile] vjs2259.livejournal.com
First of all I apologize for the lack of pictures. My photo-grabbing is primitive and all those beautiful space battle scenes go by so quickly they are a blur. So it's mostly Stephen and why the heck not? This is the culmination of his personal story and it resonates with me more and more as time goes on.

This is a funny episode with the quick back and forth cuts between the inner battle of one man and the epic battle of many. I disliked it back in the day, thinking of Stephen's story as unwanted interruptions to the main action. During one re-watch I watched it in two parts--all of the battle scenes first, fast forwarding through Stephen's story, then later going back to watch his scenes stitiched together. And I found I liked the personal story very much. This time through I was surprised at how little time was spent on Stephen! So I guess like all art, this episode changes with the viewer, and also as the viewer changes. It is one reason I like re-watches.

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Recap and discussion of 3 x 20 – And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place

Z minus 14 days
The episode begins with Ivanova talking about Sheridan hardly ever leaving the War Room whiel we seem Garibaldi assigning telepaths to ships. She says Franklin is still on Walkabout. She says Brother Theo is a stabilizing influence (and an irritant) as well as G’kar. G’kar wants to send a Narn guard with every telepath.

Londo tells Vir that G’kar must be dealt with sooner rather than later. Vir says they have more concerns than G’kar. Londo says he wants to draw G’kar to Narn to have him arrested and Vir is going to help him.

Ivanova and Brother Theo wait for some passengers: Reverend William Dexter, a Rabbi, a Buddhist monk and a Muslim cleric. Theo and Rev. Dexter trade barbs, though not unfriendly ones.

Lord Refa and the Centauri Minister Virini also come aboard to see Londo.

John is in the War Room and he tells Delenn that he can’t figure out what the Shadows are doing: The hit randomly yet they are organized and successful. Delenn tells him that he is crotchety, grouchy, etc. and he needs some rest – she has agreed to have dinner with the ministers in 2 standard hours!

Vir tells Londo that Refa and the Minister have arrived. Londo tells Vir he must go and tell G’kar where Na’toth is being held – there will be a trap for him there. He is to be told that she is being held in a cell under the building that housed the Kha’Ri. Mollari’s guards will be waiting. Vir refuses but Londo threatens his family.

Virinio tells Refa that their feuding must end as it is affecting the Emperor. Londo walks in

Vir goes to G’kar’s quarters.

Virini tells Londo the same thing he told Refa, that the feuding must end. Londo assures him that he will prove his loyalty by deed soon.

John and Delenn are having dinner with the ministers and they tell them how earth really does have a resistance and they all have info on data crystals that they smuggled out in Rev. Dexter’s bible.

G’kar tells Garibaldi that he needs to be smuggled to Narn ASAP – now!

Vir is taken by a group of Centauri.

Dexter wants to have a revival meeting before he goes.

Vir is brought before Refa, who forces info from him on G’kar with a telepath. He leaves him locked up.

Dexter advises John to let his friends and/or she (Delenn) closer to him instead of pushing them away. After being a bit rude, he realizes Dexter is right.

Z minus 13 days
G’kar arrives home… the world is dusty and cold from the bombs. G’Dan tells him what he wants to do is risky. He agrees but they have to do it.

Refa is on the Narn homeworld as well, telling Drigo how nice the building looks as a replica of the Emperor’s palace on Centauri prime. Refa asks for 7 guards to accompany h8im on a mission.

Sheridan and Delenn are in the War room, looking over Shadow attacks when they realize what the Shadows are doing - leaving one area alone so many refuges and such will go there for safety THEN they think the Shadows will attack for maximum effect. When John mentions that he must think like the enemy, Delenn drags him away.

G’kar leads a group of Narns under the Kha’Ri building.

Londo knocks out the guard and frees Vir, who tells him Refa knows all.

Refa and the guards are waiting for G’kar.

At the revival meeting, Rev. Dexter says fear, ignorance and the one who tells you to hate that which is different.

Refa tells the guards to attack G’kar. They do nothing. A hologram of Londo appears and Londo tells Refa that the guards are loyal to House Mollari and he tells Refa that he killed what was most dear to him and he killed huis friend PM Malachi, and that he threatened Londo’s position and weakened the defenses of the Centauri people.

Rev Dexter asks all to rise.

Londo: G’kar has documents that implicate Refa in colluding with the Narn, which he will place in Refa’s clothes to be found after he is killed.

The congregation begins to sing No Hiding Place Down here as Refa runs for his life. They catch him and we see G’kar walk away as they are beating him.

Londo gives the data crystal found on Refa to Minister Virini. It proves Refa was a traitor. Virini says he will report this to the emperor.

Vir is angry at being used but Londo seems to think it no big deal.

John and Delenn are aboard the White Star in space and Delenn tells him she has a surprise, something that will make them more able to fight the Shadows. They come out of hyperspace to a whole fleet of White Stars. John is speechless.

They kiss.

Z minus 10 days



Reverend Dexter: Every day, here and at home, we are warned about the enemy. But who is the enemy? Is it the alien? Well, we are all alien to one another. Is it the one who believes differently than we do? No, oh no, my friends. The enemy is fear. The enemy is ignorance. The enemy is the one who tells you that you must hate that which is different. Because, in the end, that hate will turn on you. And that same hate will destroy you.

Garibaldi: This isn’t going to be easy.
G’Kar: Nothing worthwhile ever is.



1. Do you think that G’kar knew the whole plan the whole time OR did he go simply to rescue Na’toth and then find out the plan?
2. Did you find the juxtaposition of the song and Lord Refa’s fate jarring? Ironic? Even darkly humorous? Just? Tell me.
3. I have to say, in many ways, the joke is still on Londo, since Refa didn’t kill Adira. What do you think? Did Londo’s plot make you like him more or less.
4. The kiss???
5. What did you think of the clergymen spies?

EDIT: Bonus: When Dexter tells John 'she' loves you, are you sure he meant Delenn? I have come to believe, over many watchings, that he could have meant Susan Ivanova. Discuss.


The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/064.html
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_the_Rock_Cried_Out,_No_Hiding_Place
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/And_the_Rock_Cried_Out,_No_Hiding_Place
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517628/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
[identity profile] alexcat.livejournal.com
Here is the schedule for the next season.

Season Four
("No Surrender, No Retreat")
04/10/17 1 - The Hour of the Wolf - [livejournal.com profile] alexcat
04/17/17 2 - Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi? - [livejournal.com profile] alexcat
04/24/17 3 - The Summoning - [livejournal.com profile] vjs2259
05/01/17 4 - Falling Toward Apotheosis - [livejournal.com profile] vjs2259
05/08/17 5 - The Long Night
05/15/17 6 - Into the Fire
05/22/17 7 - Epiphanies
05/29/17 8 - The Illusion of Truth
06/05/17 9 - Atonement - [livejournal.com profile] vjs2259
06/12/17 10 - Racing Mars - [livejournal.com profile] alexcat
06/19/17 11 - Lines of Communication
06/26/17 12 - Conflicts of Interest
We will take July 3 off for the 4th of July Holiday.
07/10/17 13 - Rumors, Bargains and Lies - [livejournal.com profile] vjs2259
07/17/17 14 - Moments of Transition - [livejournal.com profile] vjs2259
07/24/17 15 - No Surrender, No Retreat
07/31/17 16 - The Exercise of Vital Powers
08/07/17 17 - The Face of the Enemy
08/14/17 18 - Intersections in Real Time - [livejournal.com profile] alexcat
08/21/17 19 - Between the Darkness and the Light
08/28/17 20 - Endgame
09/04/17 21 - Rising Star
09/11/17 22 - The Deconstruction of Falling Stars - [livejournal.com profile] alexcat
[identity profile] vjs2259.livejournal.com
And here we are---another (maybe the last?) Rubber Monster Episode! At least it is the B plot this time, which is offset by a corker of an A plot highlighted by the return of NEROON!

First the recap, then thoughts:

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So what did you think? Did you fast forward through the Jeremiah and the Zarg (great band name!) bits? Did Neroon have a point? Could Lennier have become the power behind the throne if he hadn't had the hots for Delenn?
[identity profile] alexcat.livejournal.com
Post them if you have them!

G'kar and Na'Kal and Breen!

Lyta's Eye!


New "Kosh"
[identity profile] alexcat.livejournal.com
Recap and Discussion of 3 x 18 – Walkabout

This is probably no one’s favorite episode. There is not any real reason for the romance. I am not a detractor of Dr. Franklin, though. I actually like him and his stubborn idealism. I just preferred the bromance he had with Marcus in later eps.

We open with Londo raising hell with Garibaldi about the Narn heavy cruiser that has just arrived at Babylon 5. Garibaldi basically tells him to blow it out his ear.

Lyta comes into Medlab, asking after Kosh. Dr. Hobbs tells her that Dr. Franklin has taken a personal leave and that Kosh was most certainly dead when they got to him.

Ivanova tells Garibaldi that the captain has called a meeting of the war council and that the new Vorlon ambassador is about to arrive. Garibaldi reluctantly tells her that Sheridan is outside, walking around. We see the Vorlon ship come out of a jumpgate and rise up to where Sheridan is standing. It appears to have a message on its side but JMS assures us it is meaningless.

G’kar meets with Na’Kal, the captain of the warship. He says they have about 10 ships left but are cobbling together more from parts. He mentions how good the breen is and we get G’kar’s famous Swedish meatball thing… You gotta love the little hint at conspiracy he throws out there. He tells Na’Kal that they must help defend B5 because “if Babylon 5 falls, we all fall.”

Sheridan and Ivanova wait for the Vorlon and they chatter away at him and he seems indifferent. We do find out that they will keep Kosh’s death a secret at the request pf the Vorlons. When they ask him his name, he says we are all Kosh and gets no friendlier or forthcoming.

Garibaldi finds Stephen and asks him what he is doing. Stephen explains the concept of the Walkabout and says he is on a journey to find hid real self. Garibaldi thinks he’s silly but there is little he can do.

The new Vorlon sees where Kosh died and then Lyta comes to him. He appears to torture her a bit as she explains that she carried none of Kosh and was on a mission he sent her on. The new Kosh is a bit of an ass.

John asks to talk to Lyta and asks her about the new Vorlon. She tells him it has been a very long time since one of them died and they are taking it hard. While John is chattering away, she hears Kosh speak but it was John.

He tells he her wants her to do something.

Garibaldi visits G’kar and reads him the riot act about helping Sheridan when he asks.

We then go to the plot part that annoys me. Stephen goes to a bar and listens to a woman sing.
The meeting of the War Council – Sheridan says they’ve found a weakness and he wants to take Lyta out, find a Shadow ship and test it. Ivanova is concerned what they’ll do against the Shadow ship and John asks for some of the others to go with him. Delenn volunteers the Minbari but G’kar demurs.

Cailyn comes to Stephen’s table and they talk.

G’kar asks Na’Kal but he feels it is a fool’s mission.

Sheridan, Lyta and his skeleton crew head out to Sector 90x10x47, where there have been 3 Shadow attacks in the last week.

Back to Stephen – he goes home with the woman and tells her she can do better. He asks if there’s anything he can do and she asks for some apinkillers. He rebukes her for drinking too much and tells her no.

Meanwhile Sheridan asks Lyta if she’s nervous and she asks him how he found out Kosh died. He told her he just did. They pick up a distress call and know the Shadows are there. They go in to the Shadows attacking all over.

Lyta says she needs to be in line of sight. She tries and is too weak to keep it up. John touches her and she sees him reacting to Kosh’s death and she gets angry and does focus, bringing the Shadow ship to a halt. Lennier says if they’ll have to take the jump engines offline to kill the Shadow, which means they’ll be dead in the water for a bit. Sheridan gives the order.

Cailyn gets up, dresses, takes something from Stephen’s pack and leaves while he sleeps.

Lyta is exhausted and tells Sheridan that she thinks they got off a distress call. In a few seconds, four more Shadow ships emerge from hyperspace. They use the three telepaths on the Minbari ship to control three of them but Lyta is too weak to control the 4th. They run and just before the Shadows destroy them, G’kar comes through a jump gate and he and B5 kill the 4th ship. A whole host of alien ships come through and the Shadows escape.

Stephen awakens to find Cailyn passed out on the floor and he finds the drug vial beside her. He calls for help and naturally assumes she is a junkie.

She is in Medlab and Stephen is talking to Dr. Hobbs, who says she is giving her the same pain med. Stephen objects. Dr. Hobbs tells him that Cailyn has terminal neuro-paralysis and she was treated by his predecessor. She says he has about 6 months left.

He talks to Cailyn, who tells him she wants to stay on B5 and sing as long as she can because her music gives people hope. He tells Dr. Hobbs to make sure she has whatever treatment she needs for as long as she needs it.

Lyta tells the new Vorlon that she might know who carries a piece of Kosh.

The show ends with Stephen listening to Cailyn sing.



G’kar, on Swedish neatballs: It's an Earth food. They are called Swedish meatballs. It's a strange thing, but every sentient race has its own version of these Swedish meatballs! I suspect it's one of those great universal mysteries which will either never be explained, or which would drive you mad if you ever learned the truth.
An exchange between Londo and Garibaldi:
Londo: And what guarantee will you give me that the cruiser will not open fire on a Centauri vessel as it approaches Babylon 5, hmmm?
Garibaldi: The same guarantee I gave you when I said that none of the other Narns would break into your room in the middle of the night and slit your throat.
Londo: Mr. Garibaldi, you have never given me that promise.
Garibaldi: You're right. Sleep tight.
1. Did the one night stand serve any real purpose?
2. G’kar says “If Babylon 5 falls, we all fall.” Do you think this is true? Why?
3. Did you notice that the Minbari telepaths did not seem to need line of sight to interfere with the Shadow ships? Are they stronger than human telepaths?
4. What do you think of the new “Kosh”?
5. Do you think G’kar actively rallied the other ships to join him or do you think joined simply because changed their minds when he did?
6. JMS wrote Cailyn’s songs. What did you think?
7. Why did they let the Shadows escape?
The Lurkers Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/062.html
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Walkabout
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkabout_(Babylon_5)
IMDB Quotes: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517720/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
[identity profile] kungfuwaynewho.livejournal.com
Ack, I'm so sorry this is so tremendously late. I don't even have, like, a good story or excuse – I'm just the worst. So let's get crackin'.

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[identity profile] vjs2259.livejournal.com
Season 3, Episode 17
The Non-Shippy Recap

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