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Recap and Discussion: 4 X 14 Moments of Transition

A day late but I hope it is worth the wait! I love, love, love this episode.  

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Recap and Discussion: 4 X 13 Rumours, Bargains, and Lies


This is a tightly plotted ricochet episode that ping pongs back and forth between John and Delenn’s attempts to utilize/foist off rumours, make bargains, and deal with/utilize lies.


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[personal profile] alexcat2017-06-26 09:59 pm

Recap and discussion for 4 x 12 - Conflicts of Interest

Recap and discussion of 4 x 12 – Conflicts of Interest

I disliked all the Garibaldi story line after the programming and I hated this one a lot.

Having said that, here goes.

We begin by seeing a good side of Garibaldi. He helps a man find his daughter and gets almost misty eyed over their reunion, so there is still come good left in Garibaldi. While this touching scene happens, we see that horrid Wade watching nearby. He and an associate talk about how they will give Garibaldi his first mission soon.

Sheridan has summoned Zack into his darkened (for what reason, I don’t know) office and tells Zack he wants him to get Garibaldi’s weapon and credentials, since he never turned them in. Zack objects but Sheridan says he doesn’t like the company Michael is keeping.

Franklin has returned from Mars and is talking to Ivanova in the War Room. She mentions that she wishes to begin the Voice of the Resistance broadcasts again, but they can’t get the signal out very far since they can’t use ISN anymore. Franklin suggests trying Epsilon III. Ivanova does a facepalm over not thinking of it.

Zack gets Garibaldi’s ID and guns, though Michael is not happy about it.

While Susan heads down to the planet, Wade visits Garibaldi and tells him of his mission – as a body guard and expediter(whatever that is). He agrees.

Ivanova goes to Epsilon III and meets Zathras. She is surprised since she knows he went into the past. They have a long and interesting conversation in which she learns there are 10 (now 9) of Zathras. He agrees to help her.

Garibaldi uses his ‘spare’ identicard to find a back way to the docking bay to meet the person he is to escort and guard. The original contact is not coming and has sent his wife in his stead. She turns out to be Lise Hampton, Garibaldi’s ex and the one he carries a torch for. Her name is now Lise Hampton Edgars.

It turns out that Lise divorced the man who she married after Garibaldi and he took her child. She is now married to William Edgars, the richest man on Mars, who owns a huge medical research facility. Wade tells them the meeting is set.

Sheridan meets with Mollari and G’kar, explaining to them that he has a new job for the Rangers, to protect civilians against Raiders and the Drakh. He wants to place them on Centauri and Narn borders as an example to encourage other of the Non-Aligned Worlds to allow them to help as well. Both object, citing that the other planets will think B5 is trying to use undue influence. Londo also mentions the Drakh are just legends used to frighten Centauri children. They finally reluctantly agree.

Zack notes an unauthorized entry onto the station by Garibaldi. He know then that Garibialdi kept his credentials. He invalidates all of Garibaldi’s IDs and locks him out of using them.

Garibaldi, Wade and Lise head for Downbelow to meet their contact. They do and he gives them an isoblock with something that is supposed to save telepaths from a flaw in their genes that could endanger them, according to Lise. There is trouble and shooting starts. Garibaldi and the rest run and Garibaldi finds out that the ones after them are telepaths. He saved Lise though when the telepaths are caught, they commit suicide.

Ivanova comes back with what she needed but Franklin warns her away from Sheridan, who is yelling at Garibaldi about the three dead men. He threatens Garibaldi but does nothing.

Garibaldi gets a message from Lise and deletes it.

Williams Edgars calls Garibaldi and offers him a job. He takes it.

The Voice of the Resistance is back on the air.



Cmdr. Susan Ivanova: I'm trying to put together a facility to broadcast messages back home and to the other colonies. We've got all of the pieces we need, but--
Zathras: But not having enough power to reach far places! Yes, Zathras understand. Everyone always coming to Zathras with problems. Big responsibility but Zathras does not mind. Zathras trained in crisis management.
Cmdr. Susan Ivanova: That's great, but--
Zathras: But only Zathras have no one to talk to. No one manages poor Zathras, you see. So Zathras talks to dirt. Or to walls, or talks to ceilings. But dirt is closer. Dirt is used to everyone walking on it. Just like Zathras. But we have come to like it. It is our role. It is our destiny in the universe. So, you see, sometimes dirt has insects in it. And Zathras likes insects. Not so good for conversation, but much protein for diet. Hmmm, huh, huh, very good! - Zathras fix now. Come, this way.
Cmdr. Susan Ivanova: [as anchor for the Voice of the Resistance] This is Commander Susan Ivanova of Babylon 5, and this is the first official broadcast of the new Voice of the Resistance. We're sending this signal out to every ship that wants to hear the truth, to our fallen comrades and freedom fighters on Mars and Proxima 3, and to Earth, which, despite what you may have heard, is still our home and still the one dream that we are as loyal to now as we ever have been. Over the last three years, ever since President Clark took over after arranging the assassination of President Santiago, you have been hearing nothing but misinformation, propaganda, and outright lies. Now we're going to tell you the truth, and we're going to keep telling it until they shut us down or until President Clark steps down and returns Earth to the hands of its people. You can kill us, you can bomb our colonies, destroy our ships, murder innocent civilians, but you cannot kill the truth - and the truth is back in business.


1. Who do you think sent the telepaths to intercept the serum?
2. Do you think Lise was actually a surprise stand in for her husband?
3. Does Wade work for Edgars? Or Earth?
4. Is Londo still the Ambassador to B5 even though he is part of the government too?
5. Do you feel sorry for Garibaldi? Or do you just wish him gone?


Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/078.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517640/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflicts_of_Interest_(Babylon_5)
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Conflicts_of_Interest
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Recap and Discussion: 4 X11 Lines of Communication

 S4, Episode 11:  Lines of Communication

I apologize for the lack of pictorial content; it has been quite a busy time at Chez vjs2259. This episode sets up the Minbari Civil War to come, gives Stephen a chance to mix business with pleasure, gives us a new villain of which there is more to come, and highlights two Awesome Ladies neither of which is named Ivanova! Also some nice Lennier moments, a bit of John/Delenn goodness, and some nice space battles.

Usually my main memory of this episode is the godawful representation of the Drakh, but there was So Much More!!


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What is up with the Warrior caste? I mean, really, guys. Find another hobby.

I feel the two upcoming civil wars should have been longer, lasting perhaps a season, going back and forth between events on Minbar and events on the station, Mars, and Earth. With loads of angsty sad panda messages between John and Delenn. Oh wait. Did I say that out loud?

Lennier is such a devoted subordinate. I used to side-eye Delenn pretty hard for just accepting his devotion without really seeing him. Maybe she should have been the one to 'look up'. 

Do you agree that Susan oozes sincerity, and is the right person to be the Voice of the Resistance? What is it with Sheridan's WWII fetish? Also, could anyone NOT notice Susan's pj's??
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RIP, Stephen Furst

From his Facebook Page

Actor and comedian Stephen Furst died on June 16, 2017 due to complications from diabetes.

Steve has a long list of earthly accomplishments. He was known to the world as an brilliant and prolific actor and filmmaker, but to his family and many dear friends he was also a beloved husband, father and kind friend whose memory will always be a blessing.

To truly honor him, do not cry for the loss of Stephen Furst. But rather, enjoy memories of all the times he made you snicker, laugh, or even snort to your own embarrassment. He intensely believed that laugher is the best therapy, and he would want us to practice that now.

If you knew him personally, remember his gift for lighting up a room. And no matter who you are, when you think of Steve, instead of being sad, celebrate his life by watching one of his movies or use one of his bits to make someone else laugh - really, really hard.


His sons Nathan and Griffith Furst
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Fanworks for 4 x 3 - 10

If you got'em, post 'em.
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Recap and Discussion of 4 x 10 - Racing Mars

Recap and Discussion for 4 x 10 – Racing Mars

This episode opens with Ivanova and Sheridan discussing how their supplies are going to be low soon. Ivanova says that she is going to find smugglers who will help, though Sheridan reminds her that the penalty is life now if they get caught. She then informs him that is going to take some time off since he hasn’t had any in 9 months. He realizes he can’t win against her.

Aboard the transport, Marcus is playing I Spy with a grumpy Franklin. He finds a spy as they play – a man named Captain Jack.

Captain Jack tells them he’s the brother of the pilot and he lets him wander about with a key. He’s eating an ‘Insta-Heat’ dinner of beef and potatoes while Franklin and Marcus have food bars. Franklin wants real food but Marcus is suspicious.

On B5, Sheridan is flipping through channels and all are blocked except for ISN, which is showing the awful show they made a few weeks earlier at B5. They are showing the Garibaldi interview part. Sheridan goes to talk to Garibaldi. Sheridan asks why the sudden animosity and Garibaldi spouts some crap about Sheridan believing his own press and Sheridan tells him he needs to keep negative opinions to himself. There are 3 men watching Garibaldi as Sheridan leaves.

Back on the ship, Capt. Jack recites a rhyme:
Lyta had a little Vorlon.
Her skin was pale as snow.
And everywhere that Lyta went,
Her Vorlon was sure to go.

They know immediately that he is with the Resistance from Mars. Jack gives them the identicards they will use on Mars. They are a couple who are honeymooning on Mars.

Meanwhile back on B5, Garibaldi meets the men who were watching him and Sheridan. They say they agree that Sheridan might need help and mention he should get it soon, before it’s too late.

Jack tells them Mars thinks Sheridan has forgotten them and he reveals they haven’t heard much at all about the shadow war, thinking it was just stories, Marcus assures him that Sheridan has not forgotten Mars.

Ivanova makes her pitch to the smugglers – they will smuggle only what B5 needs and B5 will do their maintenance, provide escorts and upgrades and if they don’t, she will make them pay… more or less.

Franklin, Marcus and Jack arrive on Mars and are met with armed men.

Number 2 – the second in command tells them he thinks they are assassins sent to kill Number 1 and he goes to check their ID, leaving them guarded.

Delenn sees John in the Zen Garden and tells him about another ritual – one that involves finding one another’s centers of pleasure. He agrees to do it, even though she tells him there could be 50 more rituals to perform.

Jack refuses to remove his coat, then shows Franklin his daughter, making sure he notes her address is on the back of the photo. A large group of armed guards come in, telling them their ID cards don’t check out. A woman, Number One, joins them and Jack tries to shoot but they knock her down and Marcus shoots his shoulder. A thing crawls away and the guards go after it but Jack gets away.

The guards catch the alien thing and Franklin determines that it is a body-controlling parasite and that Jack was acting under its influence.

Jackl calls Number One and tells her that the thing will grow back then he blows himself up with a stolen thermal grenade.

Sheridan goes to talk to Garibaldi one more time – and all hell breaks loose again when an alien woman approaches Sheridan as if he were some sort of holy man. Garibaldi grabs the woman and Sheridan hits him and puts him on notice.

Sheridan has to go through a large group of Minbari who will pray and meditate while he and Delenn are in the bedroom. The next morning Lennier says “WooHoo?” to him in the transport tube.

Franklin is invited out to dinner with Number One.

Garibaldi joins the men who approached them earlier and says he’s in.



Marcus Cole: I spy with my little eye something beginning with "B."
Dr. Stephen Franklin: Boxes.
Marcus Cole: Right. I spy with my little eye something beginning with "M."
Dr. Stephen Franklin: More boxes.
Marcus Cole: Two in a row.
Dr. Stephen Franklin: And that's when I shot him your honor.
Marcus Cole: I spy with my little eye something beginning with "E."
Dr. Stephen Franklin: I-I give up.
Marcus Cole: Oh come on.
Dr. Stephen Franklin: This better not be what I -
Marcus Cole, Dr. Stephen Franklin: Even MORE boxes!
1. Did you get the clues Jack sent them that something was wrong?
2. Who did you think the men who approached Garibaldi were?
3. Is Garibaldi acting entirely under the influence of his unknown commands?
4. Did you think it was funny that Mars had no idea about the Shadow War? Poor Marcus.
5. Did you see several signs of things to come in this one? For example: The creature on Jack.
The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/076.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517681/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_Mars
Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Racing_Mars
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[personal profile] vjs22592017-06-06 08:00 pm
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Recap and Discussion: 4 X 9 Atonement

Anything to do with Minbari culture, history, architecture, and ritual is catnip to me. So I love this episode. Actually I hated this episode when I first saw it. I was rather indignant that Delenn would agree to give up John just cause a lot of uptight bigoted Minbari wanted her to. I wanted her to tell them to buzz right off. But I spent a lot of time thinking about how hard it was for her to buck all that tradition, and also to give up all that tradition. Traditions give you structure and membership in a group. And that goes double or triple for a hierarchial society with definitive class distinctions. Delenn's relationship with her own people remains fascinating, even as it evolves. And there is so much here that presages Lennier's eventual fate.

Plus this episode got my son to memorize the lyrics to the 'Major-General's Song' from Pirates.

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Special Post: OEAM Big Bang

I own the website Of elves and Men, and even though we began as a Tolkien fanfiction site, we are now multi-fandom and once a year, I host a Big Bang. This Big Bang has two options: a 20,000 word Big Bang or a 10,000 word Mini Bang.

Babylon 5 and related fandoms are part of our fandoms and I wanted to invite any of you writers out there to participate if you wish to do so.
You can find the info here: http://oeam-bigbang.livejournal.com/profile OR http://oeam-bigbang.dreamwidth.org/profile

If you have any questions, I’d be glad to answer them for you.

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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 8 - The Illusion of Truth

Recap and discussion for 4 x 8 – The Illusion of Truth

This was an awful episode to watch. We know the real truth of Babylon 5 and we know what Randall and ISN are going to do to it. But we have no idea how bad it actually is until we watch, along with Sheridan, Ivanova and Delenn.

The episode opens with Sheridan and Susan discussing the station since the embargo. They also mention that Zack is doing well as head of security, even mentioning that there have been no incidents.

At this precise time, Zack’s men are trying to confiscate some cargo that the owner will not identify. Zack shoots and opens one of the crates, maybe on purpose, maybe not. A camera rises from it. The reporter tells Zack, “You just made the evening news.”

Franklin is telling Sheridan about a problem they are having with the cryo units that the telepaths are in and how they’re have to move them in order to save the teeps.

Sheridan gets a message: He’s here. He says there is something worse than shadows: reporters.

The reporter is Dan Randall of ISN and he tells Sheridan that Ivanova threatened to throw him out an airlock. Sheridan jokingly tells her she should always take their clothes first. The reporter claims that he is there to give them a fair chance at saying at least some of what they want to. “Work with us and we’ll get some of your points across.”

We see someone hiring Garibaldi to find a Drazi religious statue they’ve hidden treasures in. Then Lennier comes to him, telling him that he finds it hard to believe that Garibaldi quit. Garibaldi said he needed to do it for himself and when Lennier tried to say the Captain, Garibaldi said “speak of the devil and he appears” just as Sheridan came in with the reporter, looking for Lennier.

Sheridan asks Lennier to show the reporter around the station, knowing that Lennier will be honest. As Sheridan walks away, he gives Garibaldi a hard look.

Garibaldi looks at the photo of the statue and flashes to someone saying: “You work for no one but us.”

The reporter mentions seeing a ship being repaired outside the station. Lennier says the ships pay for their parts but the station donates the labor. We see Lennier head butt a camera then he takes Randall to Down Below, telling him that many people who come here, especially now, cannot find work and end up living in Down Below, but that the Captain tries to find jobs for them to help them. They run into Franklin, who is donating his time at a clinic in Down Below. He speaks to someone on his comm about the cryo units.

They run into Londo complaining about his quarters being cold. He points a finger at Sheridan.

Randall interviews Sheridan and Delenn, though they say little, dodging questions about their relationship. Sheridan says Clark forced their hand when he declared Marshall Law. About their relationship. Delenn says, “The heart does what the heart does,” When pressed about whether people will accept them or not, John says they will have to.

Randall goes to Garibaldi. Garibaldi says he has nothing to say. Randall says he understands that Garibaldi is the only one who has been here since the station came online.

We jump to Susan and John getting ready to watch the show. Delenn joins them. John mentions that they were careful about what they said so it can’t be that bad.

ISN comes on and one of the stories is about hearings and people confessing to giving aid to the enemy (aliens) and we see a forced confession on the air. It reminds me of the McCarthy communist hunts.

Then we get to the story. Randall says B5 is full of humans living in filth while aliens have the good accommodations. A Minbari oversees them all and calls the shots, referring to his tour guide, Lennier.

He calls upon some psychiatrist expert who says that Sheridan has Helsinki Syndrome, a reference to Stockholm syndrome, in which he identifies with his enemies. He goes on to babble rather incoherently about Minbari War syndrome as well.

Randall mentions the cryo units then focuses on the ships being repaired outside B5, claiming that Earth taxes are paying to build a fleet of ships for our enemy.

He moves on to the interview with John and Delenn, in which we can see that he as obviously changed the questions, making it look as if they plan on attacking Earth.

Then we see what Garibaldi said, that Sheridan thinks he’s a god and can decide what is right for everyone and everything. It is then that anyone should be realizing there is something very wrong with Michael.

Back to the cryo units – obviously they are keeping a force of slaves here that they can thaw as needed. We even see Franklin deny there are cryo units there.

Randall says it is obvious that Sheridan is using humans to build a fleet to be used to invade earth. Sheridan is sick and thinks all humans should be become part alien, obviously influenced by Delenn.

He then mentions that Sheridan’s family farm has just burned and no one knows where his father is. (John mentioned earlier that he has not heard from his father in quite a while.)

Through the camera’s eye, we see Susan leave, Delenn leave then John turns the screen off.


In a departure, I will say that this episode hits very close to home. In my own country, we have reps of the president using terms such as ‘alternate facts’ to propagate lies and propaganda. We have a new slogan – America First and I’m waiting for the Ministry of Peace but perhaps we already have that in the Department of Homeland Security. We are not allowing people from ‘certain countries’ to come into our land while our allies are being insulted by our leadership and our secrets are being given by our own president to those who might harm us.

I am saddened by this episode simply because I fear it as a harbinger of things to come in my country and perhaps others.


What do YOU think?
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 7 - Epiphanies

Recap and Discussion for 4 x 7 – Epiphanies

We open B5 celebrating the end of the Shadow War and John watching from above. He tells Delenn that the war is over but there is much to be done.

Earth – a general tells Bester that Psi Corps, EarthForce, Nightwatch and the Ministry of Peace have a new mission – to discredit Babylon 5 and to shut it down permanently.

On Centauri Prime, Londo is preparing to leave for B5 for some reason and he tells the funny little minister that he has been chosen regent.

Franklin is examining G’kar’s empty eye socket and tells him he thinks he can fix him up with a prosthetic eyes though it will be one made for humans. G’kar says he’ll gladly take it. Franklin asks him why he turned down the chance to be ruler of his people. G’kar says the price for power is too high.

Garibaldi receives a coded message from somewhere… just a color pattern. A bit later he tells the others that he is resigning and going to start a detective agency. He says he deserves to find some happiness for himself.

Zack is telling his people what to do when people come aboard when Londo comes aboard. They joke a little and then Bester shows up as well. Zack makes a crack about the Second Coming when 3 Elvises come through (3 kings).

G’kar visits Garibaldi and thanks him, saying he paid small price to see his people free of the Centauri.

Capt. Sheridan makes Zack the head of security.

ISN report comes through. President Clark is banning all travel to Babylon 5, citing terrorist threats and such.

Zack goes to find Lyta for the Captain. She tells him that people only use her – he tells her people are leery of her association with the Vorlons.

G’kar speaks to Londo in the Zocalo.

Bester is upset that Lyta is there when he speaks to the Captain. She blocks him when he tries to scan the others. He tells Sheridan that Phase 1 of Clark’s plan is to discredit B5. He says he will tell them Phase 2 for a price. He wants to go to Z’ha’dum. Franklin reports to Bester that he is still trying to find a way to free Carolyn. Sheridan says he will take him. Bester says there is a security fleet in Sector 49 stopping ships coming to B5 and his mission to have Black Omega destroy the security force and blame it on B5.

Zack tells Garibaldi that he may be making a mistake but Garibaldi assures him he is not.

Sheridan and Delenn chat as they take Bester and Lyta to Z’ha’dum.

Earth Security in Sector 49 stop a ship and before it can attack, Ivanova and her Starfuries come of hyperspace and destroy the Black Omega ships. The Security cheap asks her where they’re from. She tells him and says they are not what he’s been told.

Bester asks Lyta how she can block him and she gets angry when he threatens her. He tells her she has a secret.

As they come to Z’ha’dum, they see an evacuation and Sheridan moves them away just as the planet begins to blow.

Zack shows Bester where Carolyn is being kept. He tells her that he would send his pilots to die again to save her, and to get in good with Sheridan.

Sheridan tells Lyta he knows she is why Z’ha’dum blew and if she does anything like that again without telling him first, he will give her to Bester. After he leaves, Zack shows up with pizza.

Ivanova says Clark is having a hard time explaining the ambush. John worries about the Shadow allies and where they went…

ON Centauri prime, the Regent says it was all a bad dream then exposes a keeper on his neck.


G’kar: I have seen what power does, and I have seen what power costs. The one is never equal to the other.

Bester: Ms. Alexander has no business being here. She's a blip! By all rights, I should arrest her and take her back with me.
Sheridan: Oh, you could do that. And I could nail your head to the table, set fire to it, and feed your charred remains to the Pak'ma'ra. But - it's an imperfect world, and we never get exactly what we want. So get used to it!<.i>

Sheridan: Captain's personal log: the Shadow War is over. We won. But I can't stop thinking about what it cost us and how much work is still ahead of us. Then again, maybe the doc's right. Embrace the moment. In the end, it's all we have. Trouble will come, in it's own time, it always does. But that's tomorrow. Give me today and I will be happy.


1. Is Bester sincere in warning Sheridan or is that the Psi Corps’ part in the plan?
2. Is Garibaldi Bester’s Ace in the hole?
3. Did you think it was a little fortuitous that Londo came to b5 when he did? A little too much so?
4. So who had an epiphany? Garibaldi? G’kar? Londo? Bester? Sheridan?


Wikia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epiphanies_(Babylon_5)
Lurkers’ Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/073.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517648/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Epiphanies
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 6 - Into the Fire

Recap and discussion of 4 x 6 – Into the Fire

This episode contains my favorite scene in the entire series. I’ll bet you can guess which one it is!

Ivanova is searching for the First Ones and Lorien tells her there is one more. It appears.

John arrives at the battle and says “take us into the fire!”

Londo arrives home. The little minister mentions they’re in mourning for the emperor and Londo tells him to get busy; he needs the head of intelligence, transportation and war right away. He know they must get rid of the Shadows or they will be destroyed by the Vorlons. He tells the minister to get rid of all of Cartagia’s people. He says they must tell Mr. Morden the bad news.

Delenn tells John that Ivanova is on her way.

Lorien talks to Susan, telling her how a short life is a gift – because ‘only those whose lives are brief can imagine that love is eternal. You should embrace that remarkable illusion; it may be the greatest gift your race has ever received.’ (Don’t tell me JMS isn’t a romantic!)

The minister of Intelligence comes to Londo and tells him that Morden, not Refa, ordered Adira’s death. Londo is so angry that he cries and trashes the room after the man leaves.

Morden is brought before Londo. He tells him to remove the Shadows from the island that Cartagia gave them and Morden laughs, saying the Vorlons won’t kill 3 billion people. Londo has his associates shot. Morden refuses to have them leave and Londo nukes the island then has Morden taken away.

Susan arrives with Lorien and the Shadows and Vorlons face off.

Londo tells Vir he has removed the last of the Shadow influence - go look in the garden. He does. Morden’s head is on a pike. Vir thinks of the day Morden asked him what he wanted and Vir had told him that he would wave to his head one day… and he does.

The First Ones come in and blow up the Vorlon planet killer.

The planet killer arrives just as Vir reminds Londo that there is one more Shadow influence and Londo asks Vir to kill him - just as the Vorlons call all their ships to Coriana VI. The planet killer leaves.

Lorien comes onboard as the Vorlons and the Shadows try to explain themselves to John and Delenn, which Lorien broadcasts to all the fleet. They each explain their philosophies and in the end, the alliance members are willing to die to protect John and Delenn. Lorien tells the Vorlons and Shadows that they are no longer needed and that the younger races can stand on their own. He will go with them beyond the rim… and John says “Now get the hell out of our galaxy, the both of you!"

He and Delenn declare it the third age.


Delenn: …Not gone. Now we make our own magic. Now we create our own legends. Now we build the future. Now we stop...
John Sheridan: Being afraid... of Shadows.
Marcus: Did we just win?
Susan: Don't jinx it.
John, in answer to Delenn asking why a third age: Well, we began in chaos, too primitive to make our own decisions. Then we were manipulated by forces from outside that thought *they* knew what was best for us. And now, - Now we're finally standing on our own.


1. Was the actual end of the war a letdown? The whined and asked mommy could they go home? Really?
2. What about Londo? Was he lovable again for you? Not?
3. Did you love the Vir and Morden’s head scene?
4. Now what? Did you ask yourself that the first time you saw it?


Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Into_the_Fire_(Babylon_5)
Wikiquote: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Babylon_5#The_Long_Night
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517661/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/072.html\
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 5 - The Long Night

Recap and discussion for 4 x 5 – The Long Night

Captain's Personal Log. We're almost ready to strike. The next few days will either mark the beginning of a new age…or the death of everything we've worked for.

And there you have it.

Ivanova reports the destruction of another planet by the Shadow planet killer. It would seem that the two are killing one another’s allies rather than one another.

Londo and a group of unnamed Centauri meet in a dark room. He tells them they must act hastily. One of the men points out that Londo is partly to blame but Vir reminds them that it is imperative to get the Shadow ships off of Centauri Prime before the Vorlon planet killer arrives. Londo stresses that will not happen as long as Cartagia is alive. Londo has lured him to the Narn homeworld to do this. He says that either Cartagia will die by the end of the day OR Centauri Prime will be destroyed.

John tells Susan he wants her, Marcus and Lorien to go out in search of the rest of the First Ones. She tells him she will not be left out of the battle. He assures her this will not happen. She tells the story of her mother sending her next door before she took her own life and says she won’t be left behind again, no matter what.

John tells her she has been a good friend and he is very proud of her.

The Centauri court is much like a circus and brings Nero to mind yet again. I think I read somewhere that Nero was actually the inspiration for Cartagia. The emperor tells Londo that he has decided that Londo may accompany him as he becomes a god, that they will leave the planet when the Vorlons come.

Londo slips out to check on G’kar. In a quote that sounds very biblical, G’kar says his eye is gone because it offended Cartagia. Londo says when he is brought out for his execution, his chains have been weakened and he is to break them, creating a diversion that will enable Londo to kill Cartagia. He reminds G’kar not to hurt the emperor or the Narn will suffer.

Vir comes to Londo with the poison pin in a case. He tells him it must be injected directly into Cartagia’s chest between his hearts.

G’kar is paraded in front of the locals in another rather biblical scene. Cartagia mentions that the chains were replaced since the ones he had looked weak. They read the list of crimes and sentence – death by vivisection. G’kar breaks his chains and when Londo tries to get the emperor to come away, he slaps Londo, knocking him down and knocking the pin away. When the emperor turns back, Vir stabs him with the poison and he falls dead as he tries to choke Vir.

Londo announces Cartagia’s death and says they should leave Narn forever. They actually have 3 days to get home and fix the Shadow problem. Londo is named Prime Minister.

John’s war staff is meeting. Lennier keeps trying to tell them all something but no one will shut up long enough. White Star 14 calls and tells them that the Shadow planet killer sends thousands of missiles into the center of a planet and then it blows up in a day or so…

John says he wonders where their next hit will be and Lennier finally tells them that the Vorlons are amassing in hyperspace near Coriana VI, a planet with about 6 billion people. They tell Captain Ericsson to stand by.

Londo comes for Vir, who is drunk. Londo tells him it had to be done. Vir says he just wanted a job, a small title and a wife who might love him - Londo says he’s been jealous of Vir’s innocence.

The Narn’s are celebrating. Londo says he will keep his promise to G’kar, he woes him that much.

Everyone is waiting for Sheridan. He tells them that the Vorlons are going to hit Coriana VI and they will launch a counteroffensive. Phase 1 will be 1/3 of fleet will slow down the Vorlon advance to tie up their resources. Then the entire fleet will meet outside the orbit of Coriana VI. Phase 2 is the search for the rest of the First Ones. Plus there is an invitation they must issue – to the Shadows. John says if they want Armageddon, let’s give it to them. He knows they have to trick the shadows to come.

Ericsson will be given a false report and the shadows will kill him and his crew to get this info that they assume is real. He is willing to sacrifice himself for the cause. (Bryan Cranston!)

Narn is still celebrating. G’kar walks into the throne room and the Narn want to attack the Centauri and name G’kar as king. He refuses. He says they need to rebuild instead. He laughs and leaves the throne room.

The Shadows take the bait. The attack on the Vorlons begins. John says he found a poem by Tennyson in his drawer, left by someone (Sinclair, we know).

Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
We are not now that strength which in old days
Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
One equal temper of heroic hearts,
Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.


Londo: Great Maker! Your eye! Cartagia?
G’kar: My eye offended him. Doesn't matter. I can see things now that were invisible to me before. An empty eye sees through to an empty heart.
G'Lorn: We suffered and died during their occupation. Where were you? What have you endured?
G'Kar: What have I endured?


1. Did Vir surprise you? JMS says he surprised him. Did you shout at the TV?
2. Did it take you as long as it did our heroes to figure out that the Vorlons and Shadows were not willing to die themselves?
3. Will G’kar ever tell the Narn why they are really free of the Centauri?
4. Did you find yourself liking Londo again?


Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/071.html
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Long_Night
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Long_Night_(Babylon_5)
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517708/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Wikiquote: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Babylon_5#The_Long_Night
Poetry Foundation: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems-and-poets/poems/detail/45392
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[personal profile] vjs22592017-05-01 12:00 pm
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Recap and Discussion: 4 X 4 Falling into Apotheosis




1.       the highest point in the development of something; culmination or climax.

2.       the elevation of someone to divine status; deification.

late 16th century: via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek apotheōsis, from apotheoun ‘make a god of,’ from apo ‘from’ + theos ‘god.’


Save us from Gods and those who have to deal with them.
We always have choices, but those choices have consequences.  

And I love a TV show which sends me to the dictionary.

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Fanworks for 4 X 3: The Summoning

 I often forget to post this part, but hey, I remembered! Mention or rec fanworks for The Summoning in the comments!
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Recap and Discussion: 4 X 3 The Summoning

Okay guys. It has been a rough few weeks. And then my laptop didn't want to play the DVDs for screen capping. I scavenged pictures from Google Images and an old screencap file I had made for icon work. Saved by the Internet and my own obsession with this episode. 

This is a great and pivotal episode. The launching pad of several AUs, well of mine at least. I even included a theme song for you. And now, on to the recap!
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Fanworks for 4 x 1 and 2

If you have any fanworks from these 2 eps, please feel free to post links here. OR if you have recs for other works.
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 2 - Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi?

Recap and discussion of 4 x 2 – What Ever happened to Mr. Garibaldi?

I have to admit that this episode, particularly the Lorien bits, rather annoyed me this time around. To paraphrase a judge on Boston Legal, there was just too much jibber jabber. Lorien tends to drone on and on, I’m afraid, and says so many things that make little sense that I completely ignored most of it.

We open with Franklin saying 9 days since Z’ha’dum. He says lots of the League worlds have left B5 and gone home to wait for the other shoe to drop, for the war to resume in earnest.

Lennier tells Franklin that he worries for Delenn.

John is dreaming - ‘Who are you?’, ‘What do you want?’ He tells Lorien he was dreaming of escape since it is his obligation to escape. Lorien says words have power. Which came first, thought or word? (See what I mean?)

Lorien tells him he is dead, suspended in time between the tic and the toc.

‘Here between moments, we have all the time in the world.’

Meanwhile, G’kar walks into a bar, searching for Mr. Garibaldi. He asks a man about a piece of a Starfury with the same serial number as Mr. Garibaldi’s. The man doesn’t want to talk to him. Marcus shows up just as a fight is imminent and when they leave, the bar owner has them followed and tells a Centauri that he might have something for him.

Franklin tells Delenn as a part human, she cannot fast as she did in the past. It will harm her. She says John’s death is her fault and that she will fast and die and join him in a place where no shadows fall.

Marcus and G’kar figure out that someone is after G’kar. Marcus asks why he is hunting Mr. Garibaldi. G’kar answers that he never before had a non-Narn friend. Marcus says he never had a friend who was a narn and damn few friends at all. G’kar takes a look at Marcus’ pike, likes it.

Two Centauri are showing the bar owner a photo array of wanted Narns and he identifies G’kar.

Stephen finds a data crystal for Delenn in John’s effects. He takes it to her. She plays it. John tells her loves her and he has to see things through.

Marcus finally does find out that the piece was found on a tip from IPX. G’kar tells him to go back to B5 to find Montagne while he will check out the ship. The Centauri come for G’kar and take him after a fight.

Delenn calls the Rangers together and tells them they will attack Z’ha’dum in 7 days. She says theuir chances are small but their chances are zero if they do nothing at all.

Emperor Cartagia sends for Londo in the middle of the night. When he does show up, Cartagia bitches about him being late but decides to forgive him anyway since Londo does mention that he uis ;late because he knew he must dress properly for the emperor. He gifts Londo with G’kar. Londo thanks him. G’kar asks if they know where Mr. Garibaldi might be.
Finally we see Michael. He is beating the walls. He’s being interrogated by a voice and says he doesn’t know the answer. He’s gassed then a man walks in.

Londo visits G’kar’s cell. He tells him he was very foolish to leave B5, where he was granted sanctuary. He tells G’kar they will torture and kill him and that he does not wish that on anyone, even G’Kar. He tells G’kar that Cartagia is a monster and he wants his help in removing him. G’kar says he will do so only with Londo’s promise to see the Narn free. G’kar agrees.

Lorien says he was not ONE of the first ones, but he was THE first one. He tells John he is the first to make it that far, maybe he can make it out. He tells John he must surrender to toc (die). He must stop running from death and simply be. ‘Do you have something worth living for?’

John thinks of Delenn.



Lorien: It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for?

Lorien: Words have meaning. And Names have power. The universe began with a word, you know. But which came first? The word or the thought behind the word?

G'Kar: If you're going to be worried every time the universe doesn't make sense you'll be worried every moment of every day for the rest of your natural life.
Marcus Cole: Your point being?


1. Did you actually understand what Lorien said? Are you sure *grin*?
2. Did PsiCorp take Mr. Garibaldi?
3. Were you surprised at the deal between Londo and G’kar?
4. Why is Susan so broke up that she has Stephen clean out John’s things?
5. So did John free himself when he chose to die? Or did he choose to live?


The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/068.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517723/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Whatever_Happened_to_Mr._Garibaldi%3F
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whatever_Happened_to_Mr._Garibaldi%3F
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 1 - The Hour of the Wolf

Recap and Discussion for 4 x 1 – The Hour of the Wolf

A new season with answers and questions and much more. This episode has enough stuff for 3 eps yet it’s all there and all done well.
We see the newer and wiser Citizen G’kar, the Londo we actual learn to love and one crazy ass bastard in this episode.


Seven days after Z’ha’dum and G’kar says Ivanova seems lost. Londo has returned home. Delenn sits and prays and meditates…

He also says change is coming and two questions must be answered: 1. Where is Garibaldi. And 2. What happened to Sheridan at Z’ha’dum?

The episode begins at 5:30 am with Ivanova’s alarm - giving her messages and reminders while she sits, having not slept at all. Later we see her arguing with an alien before Delenn reminds them that they owe Sheridan for saving them. G’kar reminds them that the war is not over but in the end, they say since Sheridan is gone, they must attend to their own and begin leaving B5.

We join Londo on Centauri Prime, where he speaks to the odd little minister. He says he’s met Cartagia twice, once when he was a drooling baby and the second time when he was a teen looking up dresses. He remarks that he expects not much has changed.

He meets him. Cartagia has short hair, which Londo doesn’t like. The emperor tells Londo that he called him home for 2 reasons: 1. Londo has experience and sees the ‘big picture’. 2. Londo was requested.

Back on B5, Vir meets with Ivanova and tells her that Sheridan was taken to an underground city on Z’ha’dum and that his White Star crashed into the city with 2 500 megaton nukes which exploded and made a 2 mile chasm. Sheridan must be dead and must have taken many of the shadows with him. Perhaps even Morden.

Back on Centauri Prime, Londo goes into his quarters to find a burned and blistered Morden waiting for him. Morden tells him that he will soon be recovered. Morden makes some bad puns about ashes and shadows then tells Londo that he is the person who requested Londo be here. He tells Londo that they have had to seek outside assistance sooner than they hoped because of what Sheridan did. Cartagia will loan them a piece of Centauri Prime.

Londo says the emperor is mad… Morden reminds him that he and Refa put the emperor in place. He tells Londo he will be their liaison to the royal court. When Londo tries to refuse, Morden says he will do it because he is drawn to power and because he fears what others might do in his place.

Delenn tries to talk to the Vorlon but he refuses to do anything at all. He says Sheridan opened an unexpected door but will not elaborate. Delenn is angry and tells him that she no longer respects the Vorlons and the not Kosh tells her that is not relevant.

Zack is checking out Garibaldi’s quarters when he finds someone there… he think its Garibaldi at first but it’s G’kar wearing G.’s hat. G’kar says he fears that garibaldi has been forgotten in all the other happenings. G’kar asks if Daffy is one of G.’s household gods. Zack says he’s kinda like the Egyptian god of frustration – they laugh. Zack says hwat he thnks doesn’t matter and G’kar says our thoughts form the universe, they always matter. G’kar says he will search for Michael.

Londo is hunting his coat as the little minister comes in and tells him Cartagia has something to show him – a glorious day. Londo follows out into the sand garden where he sees hundreds (perhaps thousands) of shadow ships coming over, exactly as they were in his dream (vision). Cartagis has given them Selini in exchange for making him a god. When Londo challenges the sacrifice of the Centauri people, Cartagia tells him that no sacrifice is too great in order for him to become a deity.

Londo realizes how truly insane the emperor is as he backs toward the doors. Once outside, he mentions to the little minister that Cartagia mad and the minister shushes him, telling him that those who end up disappearing and there is a rumor that Cartagia keeps their heads on his desk and talks to them late at night.

Ulkesh won‘t tell Lyta what they plan but she senses something dark in him.

Londo calls Vir at b5 and tells him to come right away. He asks if something is wrong and Londo says everything is wrong. “Conspiracies require more than one person and I trust no one here.”

Cartagia goes into a dark room and he begins to talk to a line of heads on his desk.

Lyta visits Susan and she tells Lyta of the Hour of the Wolf, between 3 and 4 in the morning all you can see are problems and trouble. She says she’s been in the hour of the wolf for 7 days now. The vodka she’s drinking isn’t helping either.

Lyta asks her of she’s gotten anyone to agree to go to Z’ha’dum. She says she can block some of the shadows to keep them from finding out they’re there and she thinks she can find him with her link to Kosh. They get Delenn and off they go. They find nothing and would have been drawn down to the planet except that Lennier had programmed a failsafe into the White Star that would head home if he didn’t touch the controls for a certain amount of time.

Under Z’ha’dum, we see someone walking with a hood over his head.

Vir arrives home. Londo is hunting listening devices. After he removes one, he tells Vir that Cartagia is nuts and has invited the shadows here in exchange for godhood. He tells Vir they must stop the emperor, no matter the cost. “I need a friend and a patriot and you are both.” He says they must kill Cartagia.

It’s 5:30 am again in Ivanova’s quarters. She says Sheridan is dead and they must finish the work he began.

John Sheridan is sitting by a fire. A being walks in – each of them ask “Who are You?” Thy eshare the fire.


Londo to Vir: Vir, it is a terrible truth but as one accumulates power, one loses friends. One only has those who wish to use you and those you wish to use. And yet, in all of this, you have somehow managed to walk through the corridors of power and not be touched. I can only assume you have not been paying attention. And still, the hideous truth is: you are the closest thing I have to a friend. I'm as shocked and dismayed by this as you are, but there it is.


1. So many things… what was your favorite part? Mine was when Londo realizes just how batshit crazy the emperor truly is.
2. Is John really on Z’ha’dum? (I might ask this one again next week too.)
3. Morden?
4. Was there too much in this episode?


IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517705/
Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/067.html
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Hour_of_the_Wolf
Wikiquote: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Babylon_5#The_Hour_of_the_Wolf
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hour_of_the_Wolf
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Signs of the times

I watched the episode in which Londo finds out just how crwazy the emperor is today and then had to sign the new Russian user agreement that I cannnpot read since it's actually in Russian.

SOOO- I do not plan to close this group but I may make a copy of it at Dw. Anyone interested in comntinuiung there if this shipo sinks?

Here is the new community: