ruuger: Londo from Babylon 5 and the text: "And now for something completely different - a Centauri with seven tentacles" (And now for something completely differe)
Ruuger ([personal profile] ruuger) wrote in [community profile] b5_revisited2009-05-24 10:52 pm

"A Voice in the Wilderness" discussion [spoilers]

This is the discussion post for the episodes 1X18 and 1x19, "A Voice in the Wilderness", Part 1 and Part 2. Spoilers for the whole of the series, including the spin-offs and tie-ins, are allowed here so newbies beware.

Summary:

Delenn has a visit from an old friend, Garibaldi is troubled by the news from Mars, and there is mysterious seismic activity on Epsilon 3.

Extra reading:

The article for "A Voice in the Wilderness". Part 1 and Part 2 at Lurker's Guide.
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[identity profile] 4thofeleven.livejournal.com 2009-05-25 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Like everyone else has said, I found the most interesting part of this episode to be Londo. The rest all feels a bit too much like pieces being moved into position – important, certainly, but not actually that entertaining to watch. I’m also wondering if JMS was having a little trouble adjusting to writing a two-parter – part one is incredibly slow paced, and the episode seems to end just as the plot actually gets moving. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but there’s a few things introduced in part two that really could have done with some fleshing out – the captain of the Hyperion could have done with a bit more depth than just ‘arrogant aggressive dick’ – and it seems to me there’s an interesting story to be told about the renegade aliens. I think it’d be a stronger episode if both had been introduced a little earlier, probably at the expense of some of the scenes dealing with the science team’s surveys of the planet.

The Londo scenes, meanwhile, are great. Not going to repeat what [livejournal.com profile] selenak said, but I agree, it’s a wonderful bit of less than obvious foreshadowing about Londo’s character for him to be one of the three individuals Varn contacted.

And the Mars riots – well, again we’re reminded that the Earth Alliance is not a shiny happy Federation. It’d be interesting to know just how big the Free Mars movement was a this stage – enough to cause serious problems, certainly, but how many Martians were demanding full independence before Clark forced the issue?

Other notes:

- The ISN report mentions in passing “increasing questions being raised about the cost of maintaining a presence in space.”, which was also brought up at the end of “Infection”. It’s interesting that Earth – apparently one of the larger powers, with at least one sizable extra-solar colony on Proxima 3, and a history of involvement in alien conflicts, is still somewhat sceptical about whether space travel is actually worth it. From an economic point of view, this is actually somewhat understandable – what does Mars, for example, produce that justifies the cost of colonisation? Not something that normally comes up, even as a background detail, in science fiction, which tend to assume that colonising space is automatically a worthwhile endeavour.

- Alright, I realise the Minbari are, for all intents and purposes, Tolkien’s elves in space. That’s fine, that’s a common enough archetype in science fiction. But you’re meant to be a bit more subtle than having members of that species discussing how they have been called to the sea…

- I think this is one of the few episodes where Delenn and Londo get any significant time together. Man, it’s weird watching B5 ambassadors being… diplomatic to each other!

- Not directly referenced here, but it’s always vaguely amused me how B5 handles first contact situations. It’s rather cleverly set up to have it that regulations require a command-level officer, and to have it be a response to the disastrous first contact with the Minbari, so that the old trope of the captain leading the away team personally is completely justified within the setting. Of course, that’s a Star Trek trope, not one that comes up particularly often in B5, so after setting up the justification so well, the show ends up only having a couple of first contact situations occur…

- Man, the Hyperion is an ugly ship – even by the low standards of the Earth Alliance.

- I like the attention to detail that Londo’s shuttle, though clearly the same basic design as the other shuttles seen, has a far more ornate interior, as benefits his rank.

- Lise Hampton (-Edgars-Garibaldi-Nahasapeemapetilon) is, I will admit, not one of my favourite characters. I don’t dislike her – that’s rather the problem… she’s never interesting enough to devote any attention to either way. I do like that she’s set up here and in “Babylon Squared”, so she’s an established character when Garibaldi runs into her again – what, two and a half years from now? I do wonder why it was decided to have her divorce and then get married again in the intervening time...

[identity profile] selenak.livejournal.com 2009-05-25 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I think this is one of the few episodes where Delenn and Londo get any significant time together.

You're right, it doesn't happen often, which I always found slightly frustrating because the scenes they do share tend to rock. (The one where she tries to invite him to her ceremony of renewal comes to mind, Londo's vision of Delenn-the-relentless-seer-of-truths in his dream world, and of course the hug.) Also because they provide parallels and contrasts in their lives which fascinate me. Both Londo and Delenn are responsible for a ruthless war which employed genocidal tactics at times. Both Londo and Delenn, when they get a last minute chance to put an end to it by fate handing them an enemy (Delenn picks a pilot to be interrogated and it's Sinclair, G'Kar gets captured and delivered to Cartagia's court) take it, but that doesn't negate their original guilt. Both Londo and Delenn end up in an intense personal relationship with a former enemy (G'Kar and Sheridan). But Delenn's guilt is something only she and later Lennier know about; Londo's guilt is something which to a large extent most people know about, though just how deeply he was involved with Morden and how this kickstarted the Narn/Centauri war is something only Vir and, post-Dust-to-Dust, G'Kar know.

[identity profile] kel-1970.livejournal.com 2009-05-26 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Man, the Hyperion is an ugly ship – even by the low standards of the Earth Alliance.

Yeah, and it doesn't even have any spinny parts, so they're floating in zero-G the whole time. No wonder Ellis Pierce is so cranky!