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Recap and discussion for 5 x 3 – The Paragon of Animals

Hamlet, Act II, Scene 2:
What a piece of work is man, How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty, In form and moving how express and admirable, In action how like an Angel, In apprehension how like a god, The beauty of the world, The paragon of animals. And yet to me, what is this quintessence of dust? Man delights not me; no, nor Woman neither; though by your smiling you seem to say so.

The Interstellar Alliance Declaration of Principles:
The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice.
The language is not Narn or Human or Centauri or Gaim or Minbari.
It speaks in the language of hope. It speaks in the language of trust.
It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion.
It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul.
But always it is the same voice.
It is the voice of our ancestors speaking through us.
And the voice of our inheritors waiting to be born.
It is the small, still voice that says we are One.
No matter the blood, no matter the skin,
No matter the world, no matter the star,
We are One.
No matter the pain, no matter the darkness,
No matter the loss, no matter the fear.
We are One.
Here, gathered together in common cause
We agree to recognize this singular truth and this singular rule:
That we must be kind to one another.
Because each voice enriches us and ennobles us,
And each voice lost diminishes us.
We are the voice of the universe, the soul of creation,
The fire that will light the way to a better future.
We are One.

Okay, we have the documents out of the way. Time to talk action.

The Drazi refuse to sign the Declaration of Principles. We should get a clue there, shouldn’t we? G’kar is offended and Garibaldi says they need a show of force instead of ideals.

Cut away to some planet somewhere being bombed with its people in some sort of shelter. A Ranger comes in and they ask for his help.

As the Advisors try to figure how to get all the worlds to sign the declaration, Garibaldi brings up his idea to employ several of Byron’s telepaths as covert operatives for the ISA. Though he isn’t happy about it, Sheridan gives Garibaldi permission to ask Byron.

Garibaldi goes off to find Byron and is treated rather rudely until he makes a not so veiled threat to them. Byron shows up and tells him no before Garibaldi has the chance to speak. Byron lectures Garibaldi on how hard teeps have and sends him away.

A White Star arrives with the Ranger from the previous scene and he is badly injured.

In the next scene, Franklin tells Delenn that the Ranger will not survive and is in a coma and cannot tell them where he has come from. Delenn says they must find out and they get Lyta to scan him. She finds out that the planet is a world on the edge of Drazi space and they’ve been plagued by raiders for a long time and have decided to rebel though they really have no defenses and need help. She is inside the Ranger’s mind when he dies.

When Delenn tells Sheridan of Enphili, he realizes they will have to make a show of force as Garibaldi said. He is a bit concerned that whoever the raiders are, they have the tech to trash a White star so he decides to send as many of the White Stars as are available on this raid, a real show of force.

When Sheridan talks to the Drazi ambassador, he says they pay little attention to the planets on the edge of their space. He will send the Drazi ships to rendezvous with the White Stars before they reach the Enphili. As the Drazi ambassador leaves Sheridan, Byron steps out and watches him leave.

Garibaldi finds Lyta and tells her he has a job for her. Lyta tells him she’s had an awful day, explaining how difficult it is to scan someone who is dying. She mentions that Bester scanning dying people is what made him a cold, nasty person. He asks her to talk to Byron. She doesn’t want to but in the end, agrees.

We see G’kar leave the empty conference room, papers in hand.

Sheridan is sleepless and gets up. Someone rings his door and when he opens it, there lays a scroll. Delenn is awake by now and he reads the revised version of the Declaration. It’s wonderful. As Sheridan reads aloud replaced by G’kar then back to Sheridan, we see the White Stars amassing in hyperspace, the Enphili waiting, and Franklin writing a letter to the dead Ranger’s family. Lyta finds Byron.

Byron asks Lyta why she keeps them all out. Lyta says she keeps everyone out. He goes into the song and dance about telepaths must take care of one another because mundanes don’t care about them… and he sounds almost EXACTLY LIKE BESTER… He finally asks Lyta if this job matters to her. She tell him yes and he says he will give them 2 well trained teeps as covert operatives. He also tells her that the Drazi are setting a trap for the White Star fleet.

The word gets to Sheridan and he decides to move post haste to rescue the Enphili before the Drazi can ambush them. We see the White Stars come out of hyperspace in the Enphili sky.

Back on B5, the ISA counsel is watching as this unfolds with Sheridan making sure the Drazi are pout on the hot seat and they finally admit that they were indeed responsible and the ambassador asks to call his homeworld and cancel the ambush. All the ambassadors sign the declaration and Sheridan allows the Drazi to call home.

Sheridan is not happy that it took a show of force and the teeps to get the declaration signed. He says it’s a slippery slope with the teeps. G’kar runs in with an even better version of the declaration, which when Delenn and Sheridan read, they agree that it is better.

Lyta seeks out Byron, asking him to tell her more.


My thoughts on this episode mostly deal with Byron. He is a character that I wanted to like but he had the insufferable arrogance of Bester without the outright violence. He came off as whiny and annoying. If he was supposed to be the Marcus replacement, they screwed that up royally. Other than his Fabio hair, there was little to redeem him and the whole story line. He and Lyta became so completely unlikable that I hoped all the teeps would die! (You have to remember that I despised the telepaths anyway. Jason Ironheart was the only one I had any liking at all for.)


Mollari and G’kar have a cute exchange during the opening meeting:
President John Sheridan: What about the Pak'ma'ra? They have an outpost just a couple of jumps from there, an agricultural colony. It produces far more food than they need. Maybe they can help. G'Kar.
[no reaction - Sheridan coughs]
President John Sheridan: G'Kar?
G'Kar: Oh, sorry. I was modifying clause 12 in the Declaration of Principles. I was thinking that if I could make it more linguistically suitable to the Drazi they might be open to signing it.
Londo Mollari: Great Maker, I need a drink.
G'Kar: Well, they don't like to say "we commit" to anything. They prefer "The universe, through us, agrees to."
Londo Mollari: Make that two drinks.
President John Sheridan: Somehow, G'Kar I don't think a rewrite will solve the problem.
Delenn: We may be able to get the Pak'ma'ra onboard to help but they are going to need something in exchange.
Londo Mollari: Oh, offer them my body. Another 10 minutes of this, I'll be dead anyway.
G'Kar: I second the motion.


1. Did you suspect the Drazi were in on the raids all along?
2. Is Byron right? Who has persecuted the telepaths more: mundanes or other telepaths? Think of Bester and his treatment of telepaths that he cannot control.
3. Is Sheridan right or is Garibaldi? Or both? Is it a case of speak softly and carry a big stick?
4. Do you feel sorry for Lyta? Does she seem to be particularly needy?
5. Opinions on Byron…


Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/091.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517710/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Paragon_of_Animals
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paragon_of_Animals
A Dream Given Form: The Unofficial Guide to the Universe of Babylon 5 by Ensley F. Guffey and K. Dale Koontz.
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I have to apologize to you guys for this post. I SWORE I would concentrate on Londo and this development of his character, the beginning of his ascent back to hero-dom. Then when I was uploading the screenshots I took...they were mostly of Delenn and Lennier. Now, to be honest, the episodes I picked to recap in S5 are all to do with Lennier's final and tragic arc, which I have examined and thought through and obsessed over. This episode is packed with important moments for both Londo and Lennier.

Let's start with the recap.
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And so we begin with Season 5:


Recap and discussion of 5 x 01 – No Compromises

The season that almost wasn’t – and some of the most hated characters in the B5 universe!

We meet the new station commander – Captain Elizabeth Lochley, a by the books military officer who shakes up things quite a bit on Babylon 5. We know little about her except that John Sheridan had requested her as B5 new leader when Ivanova left. We will find out more, much, much more.

This episode is FULL of compromises but JMS was sending a signal to the networks and such, so he says.

Anyhow, Corwin is the only person to meet Captain Elizabeth Lochley when she shows up to take command of Babylon 5. When she says you don’t find trouble if you don’t look for it, Corwin explains that on the station, trouble finds you.

And we’re on Mars where a man with a music box ballerina shoots a Ranger and hangs a sign around his neck that says "Special Delivery For Babylon 5". This can’t be good.

John and Delenn are sort of sharing both quarters since Delenn feels she needs to keep her quarters in the Ambassadorial section as part of Minbar on B5. They decide to leave things as they are until they move into the Alliance headquarters on Minbar. She does ask him about wet socks – he explains that he had a DI who told them that men who have nothing to do get killed so he always washed his socks every night so there would always be something to do. John had begun to do it continued to this day.

There’s a ship outside with a dead body inside.

Sheridan and Lochley meet in his office. He tells her he asked for her because she could solve conflicts without violence. They agree that the station, still independent from Earth, is her concern and Sheridan will handle anything involving Alliance politics. Lochley is called away by Corwin. Byron is watching.

Zack and Garibaldi are trying to get ready for Sheridan’s inauguration and both are quite vocal.

Corwin shows Lochley the body from outside. It’s the Ranger from Mars.

While Lochley is eating, Byron makes everything go quiet and talks to her, asking for a home for himself and his group of telepaths. He tells her to meet them all in Brown 3 in 2 hours.

Sheridan stops by and asks G’kar to write the inaugural address and a declaration of principles for the Alliance. G’kar is honored and gets right on it.

A text message shows up on Sheridan’s screen it’s a death threat.

Franklin confirms to Lochley that the Ranger has been shot.

Lochley meets the telepaths, including a skinny kid named Simon. Simon is a mute and looks sickly to her. She has B5 security with her as well. Byron tells her they want a home and are willing to work for their keep.

The Gaim ambassador is talking to Delenn and then goes to his quarters.

Sheridan finds the text and a voice message as well, comparing him to Lincoln, Roosevelt and a future leader who got many people killed and died with blood on their hands. Another death threat. While Sheridan is listening, we see the killer follows the Gaim ambassador and kill him in order to get into his encounter suit.

Franklin finds nothing wrong with Simon’s vocal cords, says he need some vitamins and such but the teeps disappear, thought Simon is watching Franklin from the ductwork.

Everyone is arguing about not having the inauguration but Sheridan and Lochley vote to go ahead.

Simon sees the killer from the ventilation shaft and sees him killing Sheridan in his mind. The boy jumps at the thought and makes a sound. The killer shoots into the ceiling and wounds the boy.

Garibaldi investigates and finds the killer is an EF soldier who has gone rogue.

Meanwhile, the killer shows up as the Gaim ambassador. Simon lurches in and projects the killing image into everyone’s mind. Sheridan is saved but the killer gets away. Simon is mortally wounded. They decide to finish the ceremony. The killer steals a Starfury and Garibaldi takes one out as wlel. They catch the killer with a grappler and shoot his ship with the station guns.

G’kar says this: You want to be president?
Captain John Sheridan: Yes.
Citizen G'Kar: Put your hand on the book and say "I do".
Captain John Sheridan: I do.
Citizen G'Kar: Fine. Done. Let's eat.

Sheridan agrees to allow Byron and his group to live in Brown sector. His reasoning seems to be they may be a handy ally when the Telepath War comes.

Garibaldi goes to Lochley’s office and tells her he’s going to be the new head of Alliance covert ops. He asks her which side she was on in the war. She answers, Earth, weren’t we all?


My take:
On this rewatch, I find Lochley to be rather unpleasant in this first episode. She is stubborn and unbending. I was not devastated by Ivanova being gone though so I soon grew more accustomed to her and actually found her to be rather funny in her own way.

Byron was pretty. You have to give him that much and I was hoping for someone that I’d like as much as Marcus but alas, Byron was not to be that person. He got worse, though it was his storyline, not him.

I wondered what the new season could bring us and hoped for something great. Season 5 is better than could have been but then again, it’s worse than it could have been.


This one from Sheridan is always true: If more of our so-called leaders would walk the same streets as the people who voted them in, live in the same buildings, eat the same food instead of hiding behind glass and steel and bodyguards maybe we would get better leadership and a little more concern for the future.


1. So how did you like Lochley?
2. Was it nice to see all the old faces again in this episode?
3. Why warn Sheridan that he was going to kill him? The assassin had a much better chance if he’d simply done it without all the announcing, wouldn’t he?
4. Many people don’t like this season. Do you? Why or why not?


The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/089.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517673/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/No_Compromises
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Compromises
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 22 – The Deconstruction of Falling Stars

This is an odd episode, to say the least.

It begins with John and Delenn arriving back on Babylon 5 with a Just Married sign on their ship. Everyone is jubilant and partying. Londo notes that Centauri celebrate funerals while weddings are very somber occasions.

John assures Delenn that everything will settles down and what they’ve done will endure.

We realize that this is a video feed as it breaks up into static.

We hear a computerized voice saying it is retrieving video records for 2262 through 3262…

First –
A few weeks after the end of the war, three people discuss, on ISN, John Sheridan. One thinks the ISA might succeed while one, who was a Clark supporter, says it will fail and they third says time will tell. They argue and talk over one another.

The record ends and goes to the next one. We see the face of the viewer.

Second –
2362 - 100 years later
A newscast. A discussion of John and Delenn. One panelist says they really didn’t DO anything themselves. They were simply the catalyst and others did all the work.

There is footage of everything that went wrong on Babylon 5. We see a hostage situation and Sheridan refusing to deal with terrorists.

After they discuss the fact that Delenn cannot be alive, she walks in and basically tells them that they overrate themselves and that John was a good man.

Third –
2762 – 500 years later
We see a hologram of a conference room on Babylon 5. A man is speaking. We get the idea really quick that he is representative of a new world order, one similar to that of Orwell’s 1984. He is going to ‘deconstruct’ Delenn, Sheridan, Franklin and Garibaldi to make their images work better in this new world, where they will be made into something horrible so his regime will have an easier time when they take over.

Oddly enough, the Garibaldi construct is a little too Garibaldi-like. They make John into a monster who kills prisoners, Franklin a mad scientist trying to create hybrids and using children to do it.

Before he can do anything with Delenn and Garibaldi, Garinaldi acts by sending the man’s speech about deconstruction out to his opposition and the ISA supporters call an attack on the military installations where the overthrow is being planned… just so happens they are at a military base.


Fourth –
3262 – 1000 years later
Monks! A monk is speaking into a recorder on the wall and someone knocks. It’s a young scribe who says he has a crisis of faith. The church in Rome will not accept them. They are tasked with record keeping since all technology was lost in the Great Burn, which was the war that Garibaldi’s construct seemed to have help start.

The young man has trouble with believing that the Rangers will one day come to save them. Brother Alwyn tells the young man that he must have faith and reason to survive and that for all he knows, there might be Rangers among them already. The young man is satisfied and leaves.

Brother Alwyn talks to the camera and we realize he is a Ranger walking among the people. He thinks now might be a good time to reintroduce the gasoline engine. He thinks the young man, Brother Michael, might be a good recruit.

Finally –
1 million years have passed
The computer says it has gathered and archived all the records for a million years. The watcher tells the computer to carry the records to new Earth, where he will go shortly as well. It reminds him to leave soon as the sun is about to go out. He comments on the earth swallowed in fire. He says they have created the world their ancestors would have wanted and have kept the records. He then turns into a bright light and moves into an encounter suit not unlike those of the Vorlons and flies away in a ship that looks a bit like a Vorlon ship.

Back in 2262, Sheridan wonders if they’ll be remembered. Delenn reminds him they did what they did because it was the right thing to do.


Title card at the ending of episode: “DEDICATED TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO PREDICTED THAT THE BABYLON PROJECT WOULD FAIL IN ITS MISSION. - FAITH MANAGES.” JMS himself that this was remain at the end of the ep no matter what.

"This is how the world ends: swallowed in fire, but not in darkness. You will live on: the voice of all our ancestors, the voice of our fathers and mothers to the last generation. We created the world we think you would've wished for us. And now we leave the cradle for the last time." The man as Earth’s destruction.
President John Sheridan: ...and I was wondering if they will remember us in hundred years from now or a thousand. And I figure probably not.
Delenn: But it does not matter. We did what we did because it was right and not to be remembered. And history will attend to itself; it always does.


1. Were you initially surprised when you realized you were watching a series of videos?
2. Do ‘goodfacts’ sound suspiciously like newspeak or alternate truth?
3. Which bit was your favorite?
4. WAS John just a self-serving megalomaniac? Was Delenn’s simply his best cheerleader/
5. Did you catch the Sheridan as Christ bit in the monk scene? He died, rose from the dead and ascended into heaven? Well, he did, didn’t he?
6. Most people love or hate this one. Which camp are you in? Why?

My answers to the questions:
1. I was, even this last time. For a second I thought the DVd was corrupted. It’s been a while since I saw it.
2. I hate it when governments or politicians twist the truth to suit their own needs. We and they all do this to an extent, I suspect, but to completely ignore the truth and change things to suit your own agenda is despicable and I see it today in our US government more than any time in my 57 years and it find it frightening.
3. The bit with Brother Alwyn. He was very cute and reminded me of Brother Theo. I loved that the Rangers were still working to help mankind.
4. No. He was autocratic and sometimes quite self-righteous, especially after he died, but he did what had to be done to save Earth from Clark and from a darkness that I’m not sure John even understood. Delenn’s defense of him reminded me of Libby Custer’s defense of her husband, George Armstrong Custer, until her death many years after the battle at the Little Bighorn.
5. I kinda liked that bit. It also reminded me of Tolkien and the death and resurrection of Gandalf.
6. I loved it because we do get to see it to the end of earth itself. I like things all tied up.


IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517699/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/088.html
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Deconstruction_of_Falling_Stars
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Recap and discussion for 4 x 21 – Rising Star

I am going to do a brief recap and discussion. [personal profile] vjs2259 will post her own to replace it when she has the time to do so. She has had a death in the family and was staying with her father in Florida and was leaving before the storm so she had little time to do this recap.

This episode ties up the loose ends, since the series, as far as they knew, was done.

The Civil war is over.

John has turned himself in to earth forces and is awaiting his fate.

Susanna Luchenko is the new president.

Franklin is making a mad dash for Babylon 5 to save Marcus from what he knows has happened.

Marcus is all but dead and Susan is crying. She mutters the famous “All love is unrequited” line.

Londo and G’kar are late for the meeting… Vir comes up and informs Londo that the regent is ill and he will soon be the emperor.

Bester comes into the room where Sheridan waits and finally asks him about Carolyn Sanderson.

John tells him she is alive and on Babylon 5.

Garibaldi is beating up criminals as he hunts for Lise.

Delenn is meeting with the heads of the Unaligned Worlds on her White Star and we are not yet privy to what they’re doing.

Luchenko comes into the room with Sheridan and talks a lot about doing the wrong thing for the right reason. She finally says if he will leave RF, she will give his people amnesty and after she agrees to pout the amnesty in writing, he agrees.

Garibaldi and a bunch of Rangers find Lise in a warehouse. She’s all right and glad to see him.

Delenn’s ship comes into earth orbit. She talks a little to Lennier who tells her about Susan’s unrequited love speech and she assures him that this is not true. Maybe not her best idea.

Delenn and her group arrive on Earth.

Luchenko introduces Sheridan, who does his resignation thing. Then G’kar speaks then Delenn comes to the podium and tells them about the Interstellar Alliance. And the benefits of joining.

The leaders meet privately and discuss this. Delenn offers artificial gravity tech and tells earth that the rangers will patrol for problems and report but will not act… Sheridan is to be president.

Delenn joins John and brings David Sheridan with her.

John is president. Earth joins the alliance and agrees to give Mars its independence. Michael and Lise watch from bed. She mentions needing help running Edgars Industries.

Susan is promoted to Captain and leaves B5.

ISN reports that Delenn and Sheridan were married.

G’kar and Londo are talking and wondering what Delenn and Sheridan are doing and we see where G’kar’s missing prosthetic eye is…

Delenn leaves with this:
"It was the end of the Earth year 2261. and it was the dawn of a new age, for all of us. It was the end of one chapter and the beginning of another. The next 20 years would see great changes, great joy, and great sorrow. The Telepath War... The Drakh War... The new Alliance would waver and crack, but in the end it would hold because what is built endures and what is loved endures. And Babylon 5...Babylon 5...endures."
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 20 – Endgame

The moment we’ve all been waiting for!

This episode was fast. Lots of things to do in this one. JMS was accused of hurrying this episode since everyone thought they weren’t going to get a season 5, but he says it would have been the same episode, no matter what.

We open on Ivanova in a coma and Delenn telling Marcus that they were moving her to Babylon 5.

Franklin and Lyta are finalizing the uploading of 30 teeps to 30 different Earth ships on Mars. We’ll finally find out what they’re up to.

Garibaldi is ordering strikes on ground stations.

And then…

We see one ground station being taken over by some of its own personnel who are also Mars Resistance. This happens to be the one Garibaldi, Franklin and Alexander are in. Franklin put some sort of headset on Lyta.

Sheridan and the Agamemnon are heading for Mars. They will neutralize mars then move on to Earth. Only Earth ships and Resistance will fight to keep it “clean’.

Earth ships wait in Mars orbit.

Lyta is getting ready for her part and Marcus takes his White Star into the Mar’s Atmosphere and strafes the guns and such.

The Earth Forces do nothing, waiting to see what Sheridan is up to. The fleet is led by General Lefcourt and his Apollo. He is Earthforce but knows and respects John Sheridan.

Sheridan et al. come out of hyperspace and Lyta goes outside to contact the telepaths in the Earth ships. The telepaths will find the nearest computer and merge with it, disabling the warships without damaging them or their crews. It works and Mars is won. Delenn and her fleet will stay at Mars to assist any disabled ships and mop up.

Meanwhile, Lennier let slip that there might be something on B5 that would save Ivanova and Marcus contacts the B5 computer and has it download pertinent medical files.

Sheridan heads for Earth.

Marcus tricks Lennier into going to Delenn and he takes his White Star toward B5.

When Sheridan gets to Earth, he transmits this message on all frequencies:
"This is Captain John Sheridan. We are here on the authority of a multiplanetary force that can no longer stand by and watch one of their greatest allies falling into darkness and despair. We are here on behalf of the thousands of civilians murdered under orders from the current administration, who have no one else to speak for them, and on behalf of the Earthforce units that have joined us to oppose the tyranny that has darkened Earth ever since President Santiago was assassinated three years ago. We are here to place President Clark under arrest, to disband Nightwatch, and return our government to the hands of her people."

"We know that many in the government have wanted to act but have been intimidated by threats of retaliation against your families, your friends. You are not alone anymore. We call upon you to rise up and do what's right. We have drawn their forces away from Earth and disabled them. The time to act is now."

Clark is at his desk and we see an Earthforce squad with a woman at the center heading for Clark’s office. She is Senator Crosby and is going to relieve him of his job.

Sheridan continues:

"This is not the voice of treason. These are your sons, your daughters, whose loyalties have never wavered, whose beliefs in this Alliance has forced us to take extraordinary means. For justice, for peace, for the future, we have come home!"

Clark activates the Earth Defense Grid and leaves a note with the letters circled, ‘Scorched Earth’ before he shoots himself. The defense grid is programmed to target Earth and the only ship able to stop it is John’s Agamemnon – until the Earthforce ship Apollo comes in from Mars and shoots the last platform.

Sheridan is summoned to the planet.

ISN goes back on the air with real news.

Franklin tries to contact B5.

On B5, we see Marcus and Susan, hooked up to the machoine and he tells her he loves her before we see him lose consciousness or maybe die.



1. Was it ‘hurried’ or just really fast paced with lots of info that needed to be covered in a single episode?
2. Did the Marcus/Susan bit seem more melodrama than was needed?
3. Did you find it quite a leap that Marcus got enough info from Lennier to find the machine?
4. Seriously, wasn’t it a bit unbelievable that only the Agamemnon could destroy the last platform? There was whole fleet there!
5. What did you think of the whole episode?


IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517647/?ref_=ttep_ep20
The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/086.html
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Endgame
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_(Babylon_5)
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 19 – Between the Darkness and the Light

We see Sheridan talking to Franklin and there’s a second of WTH? Then you realize that he is drugged and is talking to his interrogator. Apparently the first stuff they did didn’t work so they have settled on something more pharmacological but still Sheridan doesn’t tell them anything. He still shies away from naming anyone. They him drug more in trying to make him submit.

Garibaldi is telling a Mars resistance man he thinks he knows where they might be keeping Sheridan when he’s surrounded by Mars resistance, knocked out and hooded.

After the opening credits, Garibaldi is brought before Number One, Franklin and Lyta. Number One is ready to kill him but Franklin says let him talk. Garibaldi tells his tale of woe and no one believes him. Number says shoot him. He asks Lyta to scan him and she finds that he has P12 blocks in place and he tells her to do a deep scan, dismissing the risk because Number One is going to kill him if he can’t prove he’s telling the truth. She finds that he speaks the truth. When Number One moves to shoot him, Franklin stops her and Lyta grabs a gun and gets everyone’s attention, then she turns on Number One and shows her what was in Garibaldi’s mind. Number is convinced.

Ivanova and Marcus are aboard a White Star and they are against two earth ships. Ivanova delivers one of her speeches and blows up the ships after the crew escape pod off. They pick up the pods to take them in, some will end up jailed while others will join the Resistance.

Garibaldi uses his old mars contacts to find Sheridan’s prison. Number One says they can help get them TO the prison but then the three are on their own.

Meanwhile back on B5, Lennier comes to tell Delenn that the Advisory Council and the League of Non-aligned Worlds are having a meeting. He and Delenn crash this meeting. Londo, G’kar and the league say they want to help Sheridan because he risjed much to help protect them from the Shadow allies. They vote as soon as Delenn comes in and then they tell her that they’ve voted to assemble a fleet as a show of support. She is moved by this.

Ivanova finds out that not all of their new defectors are real defectors and that Clark has a fleet of ships using Shadow tech to ambush them. She and Marcus decide to run into the ambush then press on toward earth.

Franklin, Lyta and Garibaldi encounter 2 guards as they try to get into the prison but they kill them, not before Garibaldi is stabbed in the back.

Franklin stitches Garibaldi up while Lyta hides the bodies. They press on, wearing their old EF uniforms.

Ivanova tells the Agamemnon of her plan and even though the captain protests, he says okay. Marcus insists that she rest.

Franklin et al. reach the prison and Garibaldi talks them inside, using his ‘hero of earth’ status. Some fighting and some teep power subdue the cell guards and they find John. He is drugged, but they free him while we see blood on Garibaldi’s uniform.

They have to fight their way out, which proves fairly easy. Sheridan unloads his rifle into one man and gives Garibaldi the hairy eyeball as well.

Ivanova and Marcus arrive at Sector 300, where the ambush is supposed to be with their fleet. A bunch of jumpgates open and these butt ugly Earth Force meets Shadow ships come through. Ivanova knows they are in trouble because Shadow tech can damage the White Stars. A battle ensues and they finally defeat the fleet but as Ivanova turns to speak to Marcus, a huge hunk of metal comes right through the bridge and we see Marcus carry Susan away, then we see a shuttle leaving the wreck.

Sheridan is reunited with Delenn and they got to see Ivanova.

Susan asks how bad, and Delenn tells her she can only last a few days. She tells Sheridan she wants him to do something for her.

Sheridan boards the Agamemnon to take charge, where he will leave the campaign to Earth.



Susan Ivanova’s speech to the captain who asks who she is:
"Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, Commander, daughter of Andrei and Sofie Ivanov. I am the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is gonna kick your sorry ass all the way back to Earth, sweetheart. I am death incarnate and the last living thing that you are ever going to see. God sent me."



1. Did this feel hurried after the previous episode?

2. Was Susan softening toward Marcus?

3. Did the prison seem a little too easy?

4. Did you think John might shoot Garibaldi?

5. Do you wonder who the fake defectors are?



IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517633/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu

The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/085.html

The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Between_the_Darkness_and_the_Light

Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_the_Darkness_and_the_Light
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Here is our schedule. Just comment if you'd like to recap and lead discussion in an ep.

Season Five ("Wheel of Fire")
10/02/2017 No Compromises
10/09/2017 The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari
10/16/2017 The Paragon of Animals
10/23/2017 A View from the Gallery - [personal profile] alexcat
10/30/2017 Learning Curve
11/06/2017 Strange Relations
11/13/2017 Secrets of the Soul
11/20/2017 In the Kingdom of the Blind
11/27/2017 A Tragedy of Telepaths
12/04/2017 Phoenix Rising
12/11/2017 Day of the Dead - [personal profile] alexcat
12/18/2017 The Ragged Edge
We will take off December 25th and January 1st for Christmas and New Year's.
01/08/2018 The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father
01/16/2018 Meditations on the Abyss
01/22/2018 Darkness Ascending
01/29/2018 And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder
02/05/2018 Movements of Fire and Shadow
02/12/2018 The Fall of Centauri Prime
02/19/2018 Wheel of Fire
02/26/2018 Objects in Motion
03/05/2018 Objects at Rest
03/12/2018 Sleeping in Light [personal profile] alexcat
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I am terribly sorry that this one is so late. After Saturday's news, I simply could not do anything for a few days.


Recap and discussion of 4 x 18 – Intersections in Real Time

This episode is one that makes me squirm. I have some problem with interrogation and torture that I cannot explain. Perhaps I was tortured in a past life. I took notes but I cannot describe this episode in detail.

I will talk of something else then get back to it.

My husband was in the USAF before I met him in 1978. He was an Arab linguist who flew on missions out of Athens, Greece for 2 years. Part of his training was a trip to survival school in Washington state sometime when there was snow on the ground. They had to survive several days in the wild with little food. AND they underwent a mock prison camp experience.

He said that it only took about 15 minutes at the ‘camp’ to forget that it was an exercise. I don’t know how many days it lasted but there were interrogations and my hubby was defiant and refused to answer the questions, refused to cooperate with his captors. He said the man doing the interrogation finally said to him that he would get himself killed if the camp were real.

I thought of that when Sheridan was being interrogated. I watched him come close but he never wavered, not really. WE didn’t know that he wouldn’t. We got so angry that we sat with clinched fists and glared at the television. How could such a banal man as the interrogator be so thoroughly horrible?

JMS said: This was one of the elements that made the episode interesting for me; most SF tends to ignore the darker sides of the common person. They deal with the big bad guys, the evil federations and Darth Vaders and all the other major forces out there, but all too often the real damage is done not by the single Evil Leader, but by the ten million people who *follow* him, the bookkeepers who track the bodies and the trains and the pain by placing the right figures in all the right columns, who make the trains run on time, who run the gulags, who build the new state empires that will be built with slave labor, any or all of whom could say, as many have, "I was just doing my job."

In light of the real news this week and the perils of living in a world somewhere between Clark’s Earth, the 1930s in Nazi Germany and 1984, this episode was hard to see, hard to listen to.

I was reminded of his encounter with Sebastian as well.

Compare what was said to Sheridan:
Sebastian: "You are linked at the hip. Just as bad as she is. But you are not just a dreamer, you are a soldier. How far are you prepared to go? How much are you prepared to risk? How many people are you prepared to sacrifice for victory? Are you willing to die friendless, alone, deserted by everyone? Because that's what may be required of you in the war that is to come…
What about the people you work with, the people you call friends? Are you willing to sacrifice them? What about your family, what about your God, what about truth, what about blood, what about right, what about wrong, what about your future, what about faith, what about sin, what about hell, what about death, what about life?"

"No! You have no rights. There's no courtroom here, Captain. No tribunals, no attorneys, no justice, no mercy, no fairness, no hope, no last minute escape. You will walk through that door when you confess and not one second before…
"You will co-operate with the state, for the good of the state and your own survival. You will confess to the crimes of which you have been accused. You will be released and returned to the society a productive citizen if you co-operate. Resistance will be punished, co-operation will be rewarded."

But he did resist and he said no, finally understanding that all that really mattered was what he said and did.

There was this exchange
Sheirdan: You know, it's funny, I was thinking about what you said, that the preeminent truth of our age is that you cannot fight the system. But if, as you say, the truth is fluid, that the truth is subjective, then maybe you can fight the system. As long as just one person refuses to be broken, refuses to bow down.
Interrogator: But can you win?
Sheridan: Every time I say "no."

I finally breathed when he said this. We probably all did because we knew that he might die but he would not give in.


1. Did this episode upset you? Just curious.
2. Was any of it real? One site asks that question and I wanted to ask you.
3. Do you think he is important enough indeed that they will keep him alive?
4. When he sees Delenn, it she in his head or is she a projection of some kind?
5. Was the Drazi the man in room 17 dressed as an executioner… I can never tell but I think so.
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I will get the recap and discussion up ASAP. I've had some issues!
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Recap and Discussion of 4 x 17 – The Face of the Enemy

Where we see LOTS of enemies:
Garibaldi, Edgars, Bester,
Sheridan, Young Capt Frank

All are enemies to someone…

Ivanova opens by mentioning that the battles have become more desperate as they come closer to home. She says the hard part is in fighting their own.

Franklin and Lyta arrive on Mars with their cargo.

Sheridan says it’s the endgame and they’ll be okay if nothing goes wrong.

Edgars calls for Garibaldi, telling him that Sheridan’s father is in custody and he is to contact Sheridan when everything is ready. Edgars says it’s for Sheridan’s own good, everyone’s own good, since once Sheridan is out of the picture, they can take care of Clark and the Psi Corps. When Edgars says Sheridan might even thank him, Garibaldi says he doubts that.

Edgars says the whole truth can come out in only a few days – that not many men can say that. Garibaldi says "I think the last guy got thirty pieces of silver for the same job.”

Earthships are still fighting despite being outgunned. Sheridan contacts one asks why. Capt. Frank replies that they know he is executing the crews of the ships who surrender and replacing them with Minbari crews. Sheridan’s friend, MacDougan tell the young captain that it’s not true. He says that he and his entire crew have joined Sheridan. The young captain surrenders.

The Agamemnon comes through a jump point. They tell Sheridan that they’ve been looking for him, He goes over to talk.

Franklin and Lyta meet No. 1, who gives them a less than warm reception after she finds out that Lyta is a telepath.

John comes aboard the Agamemnon and they seem very happy to see him. Marcus contacts him with a message from Garibaldi. Garibaldi tells John that Clark has his father and he has a way for Sheridan to get him back. John falls for it and the Agamemnon takes him to Mars. Ivanova tries to talk him out of it to no avail.

No. 1 is still being an ass… Lyta says it’s because the cops are using Psi Corps Bloodhound units to scan for resistance fighters… what this has to do with Lyta, I’m not sure since LYTA ALREADY WORKED WITH THEM AS A TELEPATH BEFORE! Lyta tells Franklin some more stuff about how awful Psi Corps really is - blah, blah, blah. No.1 comes in and tells them she had a message from Sheridan and they’re on their own for a while.

Delenn and Lennier arrive on B5 as Susan is leaving to take over Sheirdan’s forces. Delenn promises to keep an eye on B5.

Sheridan goes to Mars, meets Garibaldi and is taken into custody. He does not go gently.

Ivanova arrives on Sheridan’s ship in time to see ISN’s broadcast about the capture of Sheridan and how well he’s being treated… as we see him being kicked and beaten.

When Garibaldi gets back to Edgars’ home, he demands to know the rest of the story. Basically, Edgars has an antidote to the telepath virus, which he also has, and plans to control telepaths by giving them all the virus then using the antidote to force them into slavery. He says the human race must protect itself from a superior race of humans and that they are using Clark to gain power.

He says that they will start moving the virus and in about 3 weeks, the telepath problem will be over. After he leaves for bed, wade tells Garibaldi now that he knows, he will not be allowed off the compound.

Lise was listening to the whole thing.

After he is alone, Garibaldi removes a tooth and we see a tiny transmitter.

Next thing we see, he’s on the train. Lise asks him to help her and he tells her to go home. A few seconds later, Bester comes in and sits down and Garibaldi makes his report. Them bester blahs,blahs about they only needed to push him in the right direction to get him to spy on Edgars and all the rest. He finally decides to make him remember everything and when he leaves and Michael remembers, he screams.

After Ivanova is told that Garibaldi contacted B5, she says if he’s seen on the station, she wants him shot on sight.

Garibaldi goes to Edgars’ house and he is dead. Wade tells him Lise was not there and dies. The house is trashed to make it look as if the resistance broke in.

ISN identifies Garibaldi as the one who turned in Sheridan and names him a hero of the people.


Another episode I hated. We find out that Garibadli really is mostly a paranoid asshole, if you’ll pardon my language. While he may have some valid points, we never do see any real indication that Sheridan plans to set himself up as dictator of Earth. The worst thing he can be accused of is being single-minded and not having a plan for after he has unseated Clark. WE know he does not plan on setting up military rule on Earth but how can the people of Earth know that?

But Garibaldi knows him! Brainwashing or not, Garibaldi knows him. Bester’s trap was for Edgars so I’m not sure the vendetta against Sheridan can be laid off on Bester.


"I think the last guy got thirty pieces of silver for the same job.”
~ Garibaldi

1. Was his programming responsible for what he did to Sheridan?
2. Was this needed also to keep Clark in power so the Psi Corps could keep their advantage in EathGov? Or was it just a happy coincidence that Garibaldi betrayed Sheridan?
3. Was Clark patterned after Hitler and the Fascists? Or was Edgars?
4. How much did denial have to do with Lise not knowing what was happening?


Wikiepedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Face_of_the_Enemy_(Babylon_5)
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517701/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
The Lurkers Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/083.html
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Face_of_the_Enemy
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Recap and discussion of 4 x 16 – The Exercise of Vital Powers

This is another of the episodes that I hate.

Garibaldi is horrid and I have never been convinced that it was all Besters’ work.

Here is the recap:

Ivanova announced more victories on their long march to Earth.

We join Garibaldi headed for Edgars Industries on Mars. He babbles some stupid gibberish about Sheridan and then we see Wade tell him he must wear a blindfold on his way to see his new boss. Wade asks Garibaldi if he knows that Mars was named for the god of war. What? Garibaldi lived there – of course he knows it. Wade says he’s a literature major or something but he sounds more like a moron.

Stephen is working on the frozen teeps, as per Sheridan’s request. He’s making no headway until Lyta comes by and somehow wakes one and suppresses the Shadow Tech enough that the man seems calm. Stephen realizes he has to find a way to do this artificially. He is also quite annoyed that Sheridan will not tell him his plans.

Lise comes to see Garibaldi after he arrives at the Edgars’ home. She tells him he should not have come. Edgars comes in, sending Lise away. Garibaldi says he has come because someone has to stop Sheridan and Edgars owns the 4th largest company on Earth, makes chemical weapons had has a lot of power.

Edgars says they must bring Clark down non-militarily though he doesn’t explain why at this time. Edgars says he will decide if he will bring Garibaldi all the way in.

Lyta works with one of the teeps again but nit doesn’t go as well.

Garibaldi is roused in the middle of the night by thugs who take him to an interrogation by Edgars, with a telepath monitoring them. He says he does not remember what happened during his captivity at the end of the Shadow War. He’s asked what he thinks of telepaths and he he says he doesn’t like them.

After the questioning, Edgars tells Lise that Garibaldi is okay.

Wade kills the telepath.

When Garibaldi comes to see Edgars again, the old man babbles some crap about loving oranges. Garibaldi is having none of it and asks what is going on. Edgars gies some babbly speech about the ancient Greeks and happiness. Then he asks Garibaldi what kind of world they’d have if it were a world of telepaths. He does not want Sheridan to unseat Clark because he believes the telepaths that helped Clark get power will take over. He says the people who really run the world need a little time to fix things and that Sheridan is a spanner in the works.

John contacts Ivanova. He tells her things are going well and he worries when that happens. He asks to speak to Franklin and Franklin won’t talk any more until Sheridan tells him what he plans to do with the telepaths. John tells him but we are not privy to that conversation. Afterwards, Lyta asks him if he is okay and he says no. He then asks her to go with him to Mars.

Lise brings Garibaldi food and tells him he should go.

We see Wade and Edgars with 3 telepaths and Edgars says to ‘put them down’.

Garibaldi tells Edgars he’s in and Edgars tells him he has to prove himself by giving them Sheridan. Garibaldi says the way to find him is through his father and that he knows how to find his father. Edgars says Clark won’t kill Sheridan because he’ll want to make an example and by that time, he and his group will have things in hand.

The show ends with Garibaldi leaving Mars and whining some more.


Edgars: "Do you know how the ancient Greeks defined happiness?...Happiness, they said, was the exercise of vital powers along lines of excellence in a life affording them scope." - William Edgars



1. If you understand the quote in relation to Edgars then tell me. He sounds a lot like the Shadows and their BS to me.
2. Do you think Lise is completely innocent in the doings of her husband? Why does she keep warning Michael away?
3. Since Edgars says the mega-corps actually rule the world, is it possible for the Shadows, Clark and Psi Corps to have done all this without their knowledge or even their help?
4. Again, how much of this is simply Michael Garibaldis’ own paranoia?


The Lurker’s Guide to Babylo0n 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/082.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517700/?ref_=ttep_ep16
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/The_Exercise_of_Vital_Powers
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exercise_of_Vital_Powers
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Recap and discussion for 4 x 15 – No Surrender, No Retreat

Another episode that reflects modern times. I could fix a lot of things if I had a Whitestar fleet.

“Enough is enough!” - John Sheridan, Babylon 5, Sept 2, 2261

Sheridan has called the council together. He tells them that he is now asking for something from then since he has been patrolling their borders with the Whitestars. He wants them to all send one destroyer class ship from each world to help protect Babylon 5 and he wants them to sever ties with Earth. Ivanova tells them that 10,000 civilians have been killed in attacks on Proxima III. Sheridan says it’s time to do something but he thinks the alien races should not get involved, as to not give Clark more ammunition in his anti-alien campaign.

All this while, Starfuries are flying all around, training and drilling for the coming attack. They are going to liberate Proxima III

"From now on, Earth stands alone. We're taking back Proxima III, we're taking back Mars, and then we're going to take back our home, or die trying."

Marcus rushes into the meeting with info about Proxima III and how the colony is running out of time. They are blockaded by Earth and are being attacked as well. He says the Heracles and the Pollux destroyed the civilian transports and are blockading the colony. John asks Marcus if they can identify the other ships who have not fired on civilians. He will give them a chance to defect. He says they must commit totally to this operation. "No surrender, no retreat."

Garibaldi shows up at Londo’s apartments to ask for some help in getting to Centauri space though we do not find out why. Vir lets slip that Londo is at a meeting and he lets slip what Sheridan is about to do. Garibaldi says he will things his own way to save Earth. (I have to admit, I am SICK of Garibaldi by now.)

Ivanova is getting the Starfury crews ready. She tells them they have codes to communicate and they must use them since they can’t trust any others… even voices. "Trust Ivanova, trust yourself. Anybody else, shoot him."

Sheridan sends three White Stars toward Earth – one by earth and two by mars. They a re the decoys to make Clark think they are going to attack Earth. Perhaps he will pull some of this ships away from Proxima III. The Whitestar fleet will be hiding in Hyperspace near Proxoma III. Marcus says they are taking fire already on the colony.

Londo goes to visit G’kar though G’kar doesn’t seem at all interested in making nice. Londo proposes they sign a joint agreement of mutual support with Babylon5 and G’kar is angry and uninterested, ignoring all of Londo’s friendly overtures and refusing to drink with him. Londo leaves, rather sadly.

Sheridan briefs the pilots and off they all go into hyperspace – Whatestar II has the B5 logo painted on her so there can be no mistaking who the ship belongs to.

There is a battle. I shall not describe it but suffice to say, one ship is very aggressive, one is blown to bits and in the end, the battle goes to Sheridan. One Commander, who relieved the Captain of duty to save her shipmates from senseless death, is going to repair her ship and keep the captain under arrest. One of the other will help the colonists on Proxima III to rebuild. Two more will join Sheirdan and fight Clark and his dictatorship.

15_battle 15_wsfire

Back on B5, Londo is sitting morosely in the bar, drinking, when G’kar joins him and says he will sign the agreement but not on the same page and takes that drink he refused before. When he leaves, Londo smiles, a bit sadly but a smile.

The Voice of the Resistance announces the liberation of Proxima III, the joint statement by the narn and Centauri.

Garibaldi leaves for Mars, saying he will never return.


“Enough is enough!” - John Sheridan, Babylon 5, Sept 2, 2261



1. The problematic thing in these eps is Garibaldi. How much is his mind control and how much is him? He seemed to resent Sheridan from the beginning. I am actually quite surprised at how angry I am at him.
2. Do you think G’kar meant to sign the agreement all along? Was he just letting Londo suffer a little because he could?
3. Sheridan said: “Our mandate is to defend Earth against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Now Clark has become that enemy. Your oath is to the Alliance and to the people back home, not to any particular government.” Comments?
4. Is it still treason if you’re doing the right thing?
5. Wouldn’t these men and women who commanded the ships have given it more thought that we see them do, considering that they may have family in harm’s way back on Earth? Or did they figure it’s now al or nothing?



Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/081.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517674/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/No_Surrender,_No_Retreat
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A day late but I hope it is worth the wait! I love, love, love this episode.  

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This is a tightly plotted ricochet episode that ping pongs back and forth between John and Delenn’s attempts to utilize/foist off rumours, make bargains, and deal with/utilize lies.


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Recap and discussion of 4 x 12 – Conflicts of Interest

I disliked all the Garibaldi story line after the programming and I hated this one a lot.

Having said that, here goes.

We begin by seeing a good side of Garibaldi. He helps a man find his daughter and gets almost misty eyed over their reunion, so there is still come good left in Garibaldi. While this touching scene happens, we see that horrid Wade watching nearby. He and an associate talk about how they will give Garibaldi his first mission soon.

Sheridan has summoned Zack into his darkened (for what reason, I don’t know) office and tells Zack he wants him to get Garibaldi’s weapon and credentials, since he never turned them in. Zack objects but Sheridan says he doesn’t like the company Michael is keeping.

Franklin has returned from Mars and is talking to Ivanova in the War Room. She mentions that she wishes to begin the Voice of the Resistance broadcasts again, but they can’t get the signal out very far since they can’t use ISN anymore. Franklin suggests trying Epsilon III. Ivanova does a facepalm over not thinking of it.

Zack gets Garibaldi’s ID and guns, though Michael is not happy about it.

While Susan heads down to the planet, Wade visits Garibaldi and tells him of his mission – as a body guard and expediter(whatever that is). He agrees.

Ivanova goes to Epsilon III and meets Zathras. She is surprised since she knows he went into the past. They have a long and interesting conversation in which she learns there are 10 (now 9) of Zathras. He agrees to help her.

Garibaldi uses his ‘spare’ identicard to find a back way to the docking bay to meet the person he is to escort and guard. The original contact is not coming and has sent his wife in his stead. She turns out to be Lise Hampton, Garibaldi’s ex and the one he carries a torch for. Her name is now Lise Hampton Edgars.

It turns out that Lise divorced the man who she married after Garibaldi and he took her child. She is now married to William Edgars, the richest man on Mars, who owns a huge medical research facility. Wade tells them the meeting is set.

Sheridan meets with Mollari and G’kar, explaining to them that he has a new job for the Rangers, to protect civilians against Raiders and the Drakh. He wants to place them on Centauri and Narn borders as an example to encourage other of the Non-Aligned Worlds to allow them to help as well. Both object, citing that the other planets will think B5 is trying to use undue influence. Londo also mentions the Drakh are just legends used to frighten Centauri children. They finally reluctantly agree.

Zack notes an unauthorized entry onto the station by Garibaldi. He know then that Garibialdi kept his credentials. He invalidates all of Garibaldi’s IDs and locks him out of using them.

Garibaldi, Wade and Lise head for Downbelow to meet their contact. They do and he gives them an isoblock with something that is supposed to save telepaths from a flaw in their genes that could endanger them, according to Lise. There is trouble and shooting starts. Garibaldi and the rest run and Garibaldi finds out that the ones after them are telepaths. He saved Lise though when the telepaths are caught, they commit suicide.

Ivanova comes back with what she needed but Franklin warns her away from Sheridan, who is yelling at Garibaldi about the three dead men. He threatens Garibaldi but does nothing.

Garibaldi gets a message from Lise and deletes it.

Williams Edgars calls Garibaldi and offers him a job. He takes it.

The Voice of the Resistance is back on the air.



Cmdr. Susan Ivanova: I'm trying to put together a facility to broadcast messages back home and to the other colonies. We've got all of the pieces we need, but--
Zathras: But not having enough power to reach far places! Yes, Zathras understand. Everyone always coming to Zathras with problems. Big responsibility but Zathras does not mind. Zathras trained in crisis management.
Cmdr. Susan Ivanova: That's great, but--
Zathras: But only Zathras have no one to talk to. No one manages poor Zathras, you see. So Zathras talks to dirt. Or to walls, or talks to ceilings. But dirt is closer. Dirt is used to everyone walking on it. Just like Zathras. But we have come to like it. It is our role. It is our destiny in the universe. So, you see, sometimes dirt has insects in it. And Zathras likes insects. Not so good for conversation, but much protein for diet. Hmmm, huh, huh, very good! - Zathras fix now. Come, this way.
Cmdr. Susan Ivanova: [as anchor for the Voice of the Resistance] This is Commander Susan Ivanova of Babylon 5, and this is the first official broadcast of the new Voice of the Resistance. We're sending this signal out to every ship that wants to hear the truth, to our fallen comrades and freedom fighters on Mars and Proxima 3, and to Earth, which, despite what you may have heard, is still our home and still the one dream that we are as loyal to now as we ever have been. Over the last three years, ever since President Clark took over after arranging the assassination of President Santiago, you have been hearing nothing but misinformation, propaganda, and outright lies. Now we're going to tell you the truth, and we're going to keep telling it until they shut us down or until President Clark steps down and returns Earth to the hands of its people. You can kill us, you can bomb our colonies, destroy our ships, murder innocent civilians, but you cannot kill the truth - and the truth is back in business.


1. Who do you think sent the telepaths to intercept the serum?
2. Do you think Lise was actually a surprise stand in for her husband?
3. Does Wade work for Edgars? Or Earth?
4. Is Londo still the Ambassador to B5 even though he is part of the government too?
5. Do you feel sorry for Garibaldi? Or do you just wish him gone?


Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/078.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517640/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflicts_of_Interest_(Babylon_5)
The Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Conflicts_of_Interest
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 S4, Episode 11:  Lines of Communication

I apologize for the lack of pictorial content; it has been quite a busy time at Chez vjs2259. This episode sets up the Minbari Civil War to come, gives Stephen a chance to mix business with pleasure, gives us a new villain of which there is more to come, and highlights two Awesome Ladies neither of which is named Ivanova! Also some nice Lennier moments, a bit of John/Delenn goodness, and some nice space battles.

Usually my main memory of this episode is the godawful representation of the Drakh, but there was So Much More!!


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What is up with the Warrior caste? I mean, really, guys. Find another hobby.

I feel the two upcoming civil wars should have been longer, lasting perhaps a season, going back and forth between events on Minbar and events on the station, Mars, and Earth. With loads of angsty sad panda messages between John and Delenn. Oh wait. Did I say that out loud?

Lennier is such a devoted subordinate. I used to side-eye Delenn pretty hard for just accepting his devotion without really seeing him. Maybe she should have been the one to 'look up'. 

Do you agree that Susan oozes sincerity, and is the right person to be the Voice of the Resistance? What is it with Sheridan's WWII fetish? Also, could anyone NOT notice Susan's pj's??
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From his Facebook Page

Actor and comedian Stephen Furst died on June 16, 2017 due to complications from diabetes.

Steve has a long list of earthly accomplishments. He was known to the world as an brilliant and prolific actor and filmmaker, but to his family and many dear friends he was also a beloved husband, father and kind friend whose memory will always be a blessing.

To truly honor him, do not cry for the loss of Stephen Furst. But rather, enjoy memories of all the times he made you snicker, laugh, or even snort to your own embarrassment. He intensely believed that laugher is the best therapy, and he would want us to practice that now.

If you knew him personally, remember his gift for lighting up a room. And no matter who you are, when you think of Steve, instead of being sad, celebrate his life by watching one of his movies or use one of his bits to make someone else laugh - really, really hard.


His sons Nathan and Griffith Furst
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Recap and Discussion for 4 x 10 – Racing Mars

This episode opens with Ivanova and Sheridan discussing how their supplies are going to be low soon. Ivanova says that she is going to find smugglers who will help, though Sheridan reminds her that the penalty is life now if they get caught. She then informs him that is going to take some time off since he hasn’t had any in 9 months. He realizes he can’t win against her.

Aboard the transport, Marcus is playing I Spy with a grumpy Franklin. He finds a spy as they play – a man named Captain Jack.

Captain Jack tells them he’s the brother of the pilot and he lets him wander about with a key. He’s eating an ‘Insta-Heat’ dinner of beef and potatoes while Franklin and Marcus have food bars. Franklin wants real food but Marcus is suspicious.

On B5, Sheridan is flipping through channels and all are blocked except for ISN, which is showing the awful show they made a few weeks earlier at B5. They are showing the Garibaldi interview part. Sheridan goes to talk to Garibaldi. Sheridan asks why the sudden animosity and Garibaldi spouts some crap about Sheridan believing his own press and Sheridan tells him he needs to keep negative opinions to himself. There are 3 men watching Garibaldi as Sheridan leaves.

Back on the ship, Capt. Jack recites a rhyme:
Lyta had a little Vorlon.
Her skin was pale as snow.
And everywhere that Lyta went,
Her Vorlon was sure to go.

They know immediately that he is with the Resistance from Mars. Jack gives them the identicards they will use on Mars. They are a couple who are honeymooning on Mars.

Meanwhile back on B5, Garibaldi meets the men who were watching him and Sheridan. They say they agree that Sheridan might need help and mention he should get it soon, before it’s too late.

Jack tells them Mars thinks Sheridan has forgotten them and he reveals they haven’t heard much at all about the shadow war, thinking it was just stories, Marcus assures him that Sheridan has not forgotten Mars.

Ivanova makes her pitch to the smugglers – they will smuggle only what B5 needs and B5 will do their maintenance, provide escorts and upgrades and if they don’t, she will make them pay… more or less.

Franklin, Marcus and Jack arrive on Mars and are met with armed men.

Number 2 – the second in command tells them he thinks they are assassins sent to kill Number 1 and he goes to check their ID, leaving them guarded.

Delenn sees John in the Zen Garden and tells him about another ritual – one that involves finding one another’s centers of pleasure. He agrees to do it, even though she tells him there could be 50 more rituals to perform.

Jack refuses to remove his coat, then shows Franklin his daughter, making sure he notes her address is on the back of the photo. A large group of armed guards come in, telling them their ID cards don’t check out. A woman, Number One, joins them and Jack tries to shoot but they knock her down and Marcus shoots his shoulder. A thing crawls away and the guards go after it but Jack gets away.

The guards catch the alien thing and Franklin determines that it is a body-controlling parasite and that Jack was acting under its influence.

Jackl calls Number One and tells her that the thing will grow back then he blows himself up with a stolen thermal grenade.

Sheridan goes to talk to Garibaldi one more time – and all hell breaks loose again when an alien woman approaches Sheridan as if he were some sort of holy man. Garibaldi grabs the woman and Sheridan hits him and puts him on notice.

Sheridan has to go through a large group of Minbari who will pray and meditate while he and Delenn are in the bedroom. The next morning Lennier says “WooHoo?” to him in the transport tube.

Franklin is invited out to dinner with Number One.

Garibaldi joins the men who approached them earlier and says he’s in.



Marcus Cole: I spy with my little eye something beginning with "B."
Dr. Stephen Franklin: Boxes.
Marcus Cole: Right. I spy with my little eye something beginning with "M."
Dr. Stephen Franklin: More boxes.
Marcus Cole: Two in a row.
Dr. Stephen Franklin: And that's when I shot him your honor.
Marcus Cole: I spy with my little eye something beginning with "E."
Dr. Stephen Franklin: I-I give up.
Marcus Cole: Oh come on.
Dr. Stephen Franklin: This better not be what I -
Marcus Cole, Dr. Stephen Franklin: Even MORE boxes!
1. Did you get the clues Jack sent them that something was wrong?
2. Who did you think the men who approached Garibaldi were?
3. Is Garibaldi acting entirely under the influence of his unknown commands?
4. Did you think it was funny that Mars had no idea about the Shadow War? Poor Marcus.
5. Did you see several signs of things to come in this one? For example: The creature on Jack.
The Lurker’s Guide to Babylon 5: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/076.html
IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0517681/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_Mars
Babylon Project: http://babylon5.wikia.com/wiki/Racing_Mars


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