"Grey 17 Is Missing" discussion

[ruuger]

This is the discussion post for the episode 3X19 "Grey 17 Is Missing". Spoilers for the whole of the series, including the spin-offs and tie-ins, are allowed here so newbies beware.

Summary:
Delenn becomes the leader of the Rangers despite Neroon's objections. Meanwhile Garibaldi investigates a missing sublevel and encounters Freddie Krueger and a guy in a rubber suit.

Extra reading:
The article for "Grey 17 Is Missing" at Lurker's Guide.

Comments

[vjs2259.livejournal.com]

I join in the ritual pouring of ashes upon myself! Grey 17 has moments, and whole scenes, of Greatness!

To add to the Marcus & Neroon scenes, there are the Marcus & Lennier scenes, and the Delenn & Lennier scenes, and *cough* the John & Delenn scenes! I'm even fond of the Sheridan & Garibaldi scene at the end...I wanted that convo to go on until Sheridan exploded in glorious frustration.

I, naturally, disagree completely with Neroon's assessment of Delenn's motivation. Just because the Warriors were completely and totally PWNED by Delenn circumventing their own power grab...*chortle* He's SO jealous. And really? Neroon should stick to black, it's his color. That swirly brown robe thingie is not his style.

They declared her Entil'zha there at the end of the ceremony, didn't they? Did we ever get a definitive explanation of the Ranger One/Anla'Shok Na/Entil'zha distinction? I mean, I came up with my own story cause that's what I do, but ??? Instruct me, Internets!

I'm even sneakily fond of the Garibaldi plot. The ravings about the Minbari 'religion' are rather funny and even revealing in their own way (the real root of Minbari War Syndrome??). My 8-year-old at the time liked the Zarg, the bullet gambit, and especially the puppet that shot darts from its eyes. This might well be a case of JMS writing for another audience. :) It's not all about us, you know.

Jeremiah's counterpart I always felt was Marcus, the religious zealot that Neroon didn't seem to see. Both of them searching for the perfect death, and seeking understanding through death; even if only one is seriously looking. 'Don't confront him, Marcus' says Lennier the subtle, and Marcus charges in there with a death-challenge like a horde of Narns bent on revenge (ala Severed Dreams). I really should re-write this with Lennier dealing with Neroon in some underhanded and magnificently passive-aggressive way. Hmm.

I quite love the bit with Marcus & Lennier (Marcus' quarters are like Sinclair's; he is also just passing through this life) when Marcus is joshing with him, then goes deadly serious when he hears the threat. His face just changes, in an instant.
I really, really want to know what sent Neroon to Babylon 5 to stop the ceremony. His own idea? Payback for Branmer? Shakiri revving up for civil war? Warrior arrogance (We 'let' you have them? That is, the Rangers and the White Stars? Hah!) Delenn and Neroon: a clash of arrogances that wasn't explored anywhere near enough!

[nolivingman.livejournal.com]

Neroon envious of Delenn's power? NOT. Neroon is rightly concerned with a religious figure grabbing power based on a prophecy.

I really should re-write this with Lennier dealing with Neroon in some underhanded and magnificently passive-aggressive way. Hmm.

Yes, you should.

Delenn and Neroon: a clash of arrogances that wasn't explored anywhere near enough!

Indeed.

[vjs2259.livejournal.com]

Hah! Neroon was part of the Warrior caste power grab, both with Branmer and the Council, and while he might have actually been worried about the prophecy thing cause I can see that? Still Jealous.