Introductions before we start
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Sunday is here and it's time to get this thing on the road. The response to
b5_revisited has been amazing with over 100 people watching the community already! Thank you to all the people who have pimped the community.
While we wait for the discussion posts to go up (or you wait and I make the posts), how about some introductions first.
I'll go first: I started watching B5 in 1997 when it began showing on Finnish tv. I'd never heard of the show before, but was a 17-year-old who loved scifi, and in those days we were lucky to get any scifi on tv so the fact that it had aliens in it was enough for me.
I can't actually remember what I thought about the first episode, but I do remember the moment when I became a fan of the show, which was when I saw "And the Sky Full of Stars". The episode that sealed the deal for me, though, was - and all you old fans are going to laugh at me now - "GROPOS" in season 2. And by season 4 I had already started my own B5 fansite, 190 Bester Place (which is still up even if I haven't remembered to update it for about three years and celebrates its 10 birthday next month).
In fandom I used to lurk at the Finnish B5 fans' group on Usenet, but was at my most active on the About.com Babylon 5 fans forum and the fabulous JumpNow forums. The last few years my fannish activity has been mostly on LJ, and has included running
universe_today and
babylon5_love and couple of ficathons.
I can also often be found hanging around in the Buffyverse and X-Files corners of Internet.
How about you? Are you an old fan from the first age of usenet, or a newbie watching the show for the first time? How did you first heard about the show? Where do you hang out, what are your other fandoms?
And remember, no spoilers! Because one of the best parts of Babylon 5 fandom is, after all, watching the reactions of the unspoiled newbies when they reach that episode where that character does that thing and it is revealed that the thing is actually a thing. You know that thing I mean ;)
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While we wait for the discussion posts to go up (or you wait and I make the posts), how about some introductions first.
I'll go first: I started watching B5 in 1997 when it began showing on Finnish tv. I'd never heard of the show before, but was a 17-year-old who loved scifi, and in those days we were lucky to get any scifi on tv so the fact that it had aliens in it was enough for me.
I can't actually remember what I thought about the first episode, but I do remember the moment when I became a fan of the show, which was when I saw "And the Sky Full of Stars". The episode that sealed the deal for me, though, was - and all you old fans are going to laugh at me now - "GROPOS" in season 2. And by season 4 I had already started my own B5 fansite, 190 Bester Place (which is still up even if I haven't remembered to update it for about three years and celebrates its 10 birthday next month).
In fandom I used to lurk at the Finnish B5 fans' group on Usenet, but was at my most active on the About.com Babylon 5 fans forum and the fabulous JumpNow forums. The last few years my fannish activity has been mostly on LJ, and has included running
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I can also often be found hanging around in the Buffyverse and X-Files corners of Internet.
How about you? Are you an old fan from the first age of usenet, or a newbie watching the show for the first time? How did you first heard about the show? Where do you hang out, what are your other fandoms?
And remember, no spoilers! Because one of the best parts of Babylon 5 fandom is, after all, watching the reactions of the unspoiled newbies when they reach that episode where that character does that thing and it is revealed that the thing is actually a thing. You know that thing I mean ;)
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Date: 2009-01-18 03:11 pm (UTC)Nowadays I'm not very fannish about new stuff. I still love B5, various Trek, and recently got into X-Files, but I'm not as active in fandom as I used to be.
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Date: 2009-01-18 03:52 pm (UTC)B5 was probably my first real fandom, more or less simultaneously with the X-Files. (Which I was introduced in exactly the same way - I owe you, big brother. I don't think I even knew the X-Files was a series until he made me watch it, because the only episodes they advertised with trailers were Squeeze and then Tooms so I wound up with the impression that it was a one-off special type thing.) I was also big into Due South in much the same era. Sadly, this was years before I had an internet connection, so I never really got into the web communities or fic-writing fandom for any of them.
Since then, I've bounced with various degrees of fannishness through BtVS, The West Wing, Harry Potter, Stargate SG-1, and my latest infatuation, Alias. I never paid much attention to Trek when it was on, but I've since had a bit of a revival and have just recently bought season one of DS9 to check out. But Babylon 5 will always have a special place in my heart as my first big fannish obsession, and one of very few shows I ever watched totally unspoiled.
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Date: 2009-01-18 03:29 pm (UTC)I fell into the novel structure of B5 and ... at last! Everything I had wanted from a genre TV show! Episodes with great woogy moral issues that weren't resolved in a trite manner by episode's end! Choices that came back to bite you in the ass later, in ways you didn't think of at the time. Characters who were morally complex.
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Date: 2009-01-18 03:30 pm (UTC)I was pointed this way by hobsonphile. I am a newbie to B5 and began watching for the very first time on October 16 of this past year. (And I am already up to episode 4.6!)
There were a few fans on my flist and since we shared other fandoms like 'X-Files' and 'Battlestar Galactica', I was always hearing that I was missing out by not watching this show. Since I hate being left out of anything, I finally Netflixed the first episode and was pretty much hooked from that moment on. I'm not sure if there was one episode that really made me fall head over heels, but I'll have to look back. (I've had to take a zillion notes because I'm going through it so quickly and it can be complicated!)
I think it was a bit of a slow burn as far as emotional attachment. But the story itself intrigued from the start. And while it did take a bit of time for me to get BSG out of my head while watching this, the similarities are mostly superficial. It seems I love both shows, but in very different ways.
What I don't understand is why I never heard of the show when it was actually on! I like to think of myself as fairly knowledgeable about pop culture, so even when I don't watch something I've at least heard of it and know the basic premise. But how this show was kept from me all these years is a mystery!
I guess it's better this way. How maddenng would it have been to come across an old rerun and get hooked BEFORE the DVDs came along?
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Date: 2009-01-18 10:02 pm (UTC)There is a name for this in B5 fandom: 'EPDN', which refers to the feeling at the end of the episode when the words "Executive Producer Douglas Netter" appear on the screen and you realised that it'd be a whole week before you'd know what happens next.
(And can you imagine having to wait a whole summer between the end of season 3 and the beginning of season 4?)
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Date: 2009-01-18 03:50 pm (UTC)I've never been active in any B5 fandom online, so I was pretty thrilled to hear of this community. It's also great because I haven't rewatched the series all the way through in some time. I'm not active in any fandom right now, but I am a long time fan of shows like TNG, Stargate: SG1, Farscape, Homicide: Life On The Street, and Due South.
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Date: 2009-01-18 03:58 pm (UTC)Anyway, in high school, I joined the science fiction club and met my friend Cassie/
Anyway, I used some online resources (Lurker's Guide, IIRC) to get caught up on some of the early events, and used to quietly tiptoe down to the basement to catch reruns on TNT on Saturday mornings. This wasn't the best way to view, in that I got scattered Season 2 and 3 episodes.
Right before I entered grad school (so, about four years ago), I got a DVD of Season 3, thanks to finding it used. I finally watched through Season 3, partially on vacation (I had a laptop and my headphones) while everyone was watching the Red Sox play. For that matter, I was also watching the Sox at the same time. About eighteen months ago, I got the rest of the series (at least the TV episodes) and did a run-through that stalled out in early Season 3. (Around that time I was hit by a car, and I remember spending hours watching B5 and crocheting because moving from my couch hurt too much. I think I tried to hook my cousin, who had come up to help me with grocery shopping the day after, since she was a Battlestar Galactica fan, but we only had time for one episode.)
I still haven't seen past the cliffhanger ending of Season 3, though Cassie was pretty blatant about spoilers, so I know most of the big ones. I did see Legend of the Rangers when Cassie had a party for the premiere.
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Date: 2009-01-18 04:09 pm (UTC)I watched B5 on and off when it first aired. My friends kept after me, but it was a busy time of my life and I kept missing episodes, which left me lost the next time around. I tried watching the re-runs TNT ran before S5 (I still have a few on videotape which I recorded in an effort to catch up), but I couldn't keep up and eventually just stopped.
Fast forward to three years ago--while searching Netflix for something that my whole family could watch and enjoy, I had the bright idea of catching up on old tv sf, and ordered in Midnight on the Firing Line. We were all hooked, but it hit me hardest. It was very schizo watching the series with random memories popping up from before; like living a dream or experiencing precognition or enduring random bursts of intense deja vu.
From there I've just descended into madness...I was in fandom for a long time from high school to grad school and beyond, but career and marriage and children took me away for a good ten years. B5's been my way back, and also my entry into writing, for which I will be forever grateful.
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Date: 2009-01-18 04:18 pm (UTC)I remember watching the pilot and being unsure, but kept with it when it started up again full time. I was on Compuserve following the conversations with JMS and even had a few posts exchanged with him. I followed newsgroups when I could. I think it really hit me that I was a hardcore fan after the Fall of Night and I was totally floored at how extensive this universe was and how I began to put the pieces of the puzzle together on what was going on.
Realize that was before the Web really took off, so we didn't have websites or forums or much in the way of spoilers. Most of our discovery of the universe came from JMS himself. I read the newsgroups a little bit but it was too much volume to keep up with (for me back then, in comparison to today, it wasn't all much, hah).
I had most of the eps on video tape. When the DVDs came out, I slowly bought all of them. Now, I rewatch the entire show at least once a year. I'm so glad that B5 has continued to have such a strong base after all these years and more and more people are coming to love it thanks to DVDs. I measure all other shows (especially scifi) against it and so far, nothing has measured up (probably the closest is Lost, but its different really).
As for now, I'm not very involved in fandoms anymore. I played MMPPORGs for a number of years so I wasn't watching TV much. I've been in one or two over the years off and on, most recently Jericho, but I've gotten tired of shows getting canceled so now I just watch for my own enjoyment. Right now, I'm watching Burn Notice, Leverage, Life, Lost, House and catching up on some other shows on DVD and Hulu.
Looking forward to the great rewatch. Always wonderful sharig this show with others.
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Date: 2009-01-18 04:18 pm (UTC)I found B5 people on LJ quite early on; it was definitely my first LJ fandom, though I was being Enterprise-fannish in other venues at much the same time. So I was actually well positioned for the surge when the DVDs came out; I'd already been hooked and could watch all the newbies arrive *g*. It's still my favourite TV show, bar none, though I've been in fandom continuously since, particularly ENT and SGA.
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Date: 2009-01-18 04:22 pm (UTC)Later, in 2004 I had got full collection of B5 and so it begins... I mean so begins my fanship (what was before doesn't counts: I was only 5 years old in 1994)
Now I'm trying to make my own B5 forum RPG project (kind of co-authorship fanfic writing based on the idea of semi-global role-playing game in one big B5 universe).
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Date: 2009-01-18 04:32 pm (UTC)I then moved to the US in 1996, which meant that I missed almost a full season (parts of S2 and S3, I think), which was really weird (Who were these people? What was going on?), but I caught up and was hooked. And then S5 moved to cable and my grad dorm didn't have cable, woe, WOE, but by that time I had discovered the internet and found a lovely woman in California who taped all of S5 for me and mailed a big box of old-school video tapes to NJ, where I mainlined all 23 episodes over three days during the 1998 Christmas break.
I recently "acquired" the first few seasons again and am up to S4, and loving it. It's smart, expects you to pay attention, has characters that actually develop, and it's fun.
(I don't think I've ever read fanfic for B5, oddly enough, even though I read voraciously in a number of fandoms, from Stargate, which I got into because of the fantastic fanfic, to Buffy to HP.)
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Date: 2009-01-18 04:49 pm (UTC)My B5 history is a sordid and occasionally sad tale. In 1993 I was twelve and very, very into Star Trek. One of the science-fiction TV magazines ran an article about B5, and so I watched "The Gathering" on initial broadcast. And hated it, because it wasn't Trek, pretty much. I tuned in a few times for some of Season 1; I think I cared that Walter Koenig was guest-starring. For some reason I even bought some of the tie-in novels (the one about Talia, 'cause I liked Talia a lot) The last thing I remember watching in the original run is partway through S2, where, uh, spoiler asks spoiler for help with her spoiler. I've forgotten the episode name again.
Anyway. Skip forward to, like 1998. B5 has just ended, and I found out Neil Gaiman (who I was a big fan of at the time) wrote an episode, and I thought I should tune in for the reruns so I could refresh my memory of the characters. Well, uh, I caught the final four episodes of Season 3. And from then on, I was hooked.
I'm mostly a lurker in B5; I read usenet compulsively but never post. I've been in a whole lot of fandoms in the intervening years, mostly as a slasher (though I'm not really a slasher in B5) all on LJ -- The Sentinel, Due South (that was a big one for me), The X-Files, Buffy, Starsky and Hutch, Harry Potter, new BSG, House, Psych... the list goes on. My current fannish obsession is The Professionals.
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Date: 2009-01-18 04:53 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-18 05:04 pm (UTC)I also remember when Sky came to install our first digibox, the first show we saw when they were testing it was B5!
I have the whole lot on DVD including Crusade and all the extra TV movies.
I'm looking forward to rewatching the lot as I've been meaning to do it for a while and this is the push I need.
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Date: 2009-01-18 05:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-18 05:15 pm (UTC)I'm not really active in B5 fandom; I spent untold hours reading JMS' usenet posts on the Lurker's Guide pages, but that's about it.
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Date: 2009-01-18 05:16 pm (UTC)B5 has had an enormous impact on the way I view all other TV shows, particularly because I watched it at a fairly young and impressionable age, and because it was the first show I ever watched outside of kids' shows. It's kind of weird, but in some ways I almost feel disadvantaged for having viewed B5 first thing in my TV/fandom life--because it's like I watched the very best thing first, and now nothing can live up to it--especially in the area of character development. I can't even count the number of times I've been watching some other show and exclaimed in frustration "Why can't they do this the way B5 did it?" or "If only they had JMS on their writing staff!" There have been a couple of shows that have come close, but nothing as of yet that can truly touch B5. Yeah, I've been spoiled. :p
As far as fandom goes, I've never actually been heavily involved in B5 fandom outside of a few LJ communities. Other shows that I watch (or watched) include Battlestar Galactica, Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, Lost, Firefly, and (formerly) Heroes.
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Date: 2009-01-18 05:23 pm (UTC)I'm not sure how much I'll be able to keep up with a rewatch comm, because I don't own any episodes prior to season 3, but I think it's great that this is happening and I'll be keeping an eye on the discussion.
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Date: 2009-01-18 05:24 pm (UTC)Watching s1 made me fond of the show and by the end sad Sinclair wouldn't be in the second season (which being a year behind we knew, of course, though I wasn't spoiled for anything else) but happy everyone else would be. (It didn't take me longer than Born to the Purple to fall for Londo, and Parliament of Dreams to fall for G'Kar.) And incredibly curious as to where this show was going with the set-up mysteries. By the time s2 ended, I was so hooked I tried to get English episodes, which before the internet was available to me was very difficult. And then I got a scholarship in the US where I went from the start of s3 (Germany, when I left) to watching Ship of Tears and War Without End I +II. Talk about jaw-dropping. I caught up with the other episodes through repeats. Due to the crazy scheduling in the US, by the time the show ended we were just weeks behind in Germany (where I was again), and I also was online by then. (Though it took me ten more years to write fanfiction. *g*)
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Date: 2009-01-18 05:34 pm (UTC)Anyway, here's my tale. In 2004, my brother moved back home for a few months, only to move out again in July. While he was home, he would occasionally disappear to watch this show on DVD called "Babylon 5," which he thought was pretty cool. He was fairly far along, but he thought I'd like it, even though it wasn't my usual television fare.
When he was moving out, I was helping pack up his DVDs while he was at work. Before he left, he very gently suggested that I not pack his "Babylon 5" season one set, so I could start watching it. I'm a good sister, so I didn't.
It took me a couple of weeks to start watching, but I did. I don't recall any particular moment of getting hooked, exactly, but I thought it was pretty good by eight episodes in. (Though, looking at my first B5 journal mention, I found Londo's voice reminiscent of Walter Slezak, which was distracting for a while.) By the time I had finished season two, I decided that B5 was one of the shows I wanted on DVD; the list, at the time, was a short one. I kept borrowing sets from him (or the library, when I got too impatient) so I could finish seeing everything.
From there, I read the Lurker's Guide (my brother had mentioned it to me) and found the
I've gone through several rewatches of the show since then; in fact, I've seen the show more than my brother has. It's quite honestly one of my favorites, and I love going back and rewatching it. (Sadly, I think I've been more than a year since I last watched the show, so this is a fabulous opportunity for me, and it starts at just the right time; I had decided that B5 was next on my viewing schedule after "Firefly," which I got to this past week.)
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Date: 2009-01-18 05:37 pm (UTC)I even dragged my mother along for the joy ride. She developed a fondness for the Centauri for some strange reason. Vir was referred to as the "young mournful one". My Toshiba desktop was even nicknamed Kosh because he was a black sinister box that occasionally gave undecipherable messages. Doesn't that sound like a Vorlon to you? I think he proved the warning, though, about naming computers after gods, fairies or enigmatic aliens. It's just asking for trouble.
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Date: 2009-01-18 06:08 pm (UTC)It was fandom for me before I could articulate fannish thought. I just knew I liked it and wanted more of it. I used to watch it in the TV room at my grandfather's house, with my aunt, on VHS tapes of the original broadcast. Before I fell for SAILOR MOON, or DRAGON BALL, or cartoons of any kind besides Looney Tunes, B5 was there.
It's hard for me to even call it a fandom, because B5 is like breathing; I've never known what a life without it is like, and can't imagine one now.
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Date: 2009-01-18 06:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-01-18 06:26 pm (UTC)Right now I'm mainly fannish on livejournal in Alias and a few other small fandoms like Eureka.
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Date: 2009-01-18 07:05 pm (UTC)These days, I'm kind of quiet fannishly except for RPing over at
I am a fannish consumer of sorts for fic/vids for several 'off-the-air' shows besides B5: Kung Fu: The Legend Continues, Forever Knight, Due South, Sentinel, Lois & Clark, Star Trek Voyager (well, all Treks, but this one was my favourite), Earth: Final Conflict, Buffy... clearly, the 90s were good to me :D